Yay
Here it is, Micky's proably gonna cream.
This is a more direct link.

[This message has been edited by MusketKing (edited 06-05-2007 @ 12:18 PM).]

Yay!!

Now I can see really know to do it.

I've pwned a major with this, much more satisfying winning with crap civs.

Thanks Wacko, you're my new favourite expert. It comes at a price though; you gotta answer my noob questions on ESO, so I guess you'd better add me to friends if you havr privacy on, so you don't miss out.

Edit

Damn you musk, I wanted first post.

Edit II

Rats, after reading it, I can see it is no different to the one I concocted after my game with you Wacko, apart from the 1000f card. I was wondering about this, since I needed food bad, but 1000w saves you a lot of vill seconds and you can get mill if need be. I'll stick with the 1000f now.
It's best if he rushes, coz you can go fort and spam some vills, then start making military and be prettyy far ahead.

[This message has been edited by micky_t (edited 06-05-2007 @ 12:23 PM).]

What to do vs this as sioux?

Sounds like Gay house without the OP units or Building stats.

Can't wait to try it out, although I havn't been able to play AOEIII for 2 weeks now, as I got exams starting tomorrow, and will only be back on ESO on the 23rd of June, and then I got 3 days in which to get back into the swing of things, AND to organise the sign-ups for the FFA League. I am going 3 days after exams and returning 2 days later, and am then going to Irish College for 3 weeks the morning after...

But I'll make room for it!

Thx Wacko

gg, sounds good

If you want you can forward build a blockhouse, build 20 strelets to harass, and age up with the same time and enough resources for another TC upon aging. That's how I play vs. the Dutch players who hide behind Colonial Militia TC's.

*edit* and I didn't direct link the article because I wanted people to see the cool AoE3 stuff they're trying over at CGESA.

[This message has been edited by L_Clan_Socrates (edited 06-05-2007 @ 02:38 PM).]

Very nice write up. Newsed!

Even if it is with an overall up civ, laming sucks big time, kind of ironic how wacko is pretty much endorsing laming.

And exactly what part of his strat is laming? If you think turtle=lame then you are playing the wrong game.

[ Even if it is with an overall up civ, laming sucks big time, kind of ironic how wacko is pretty much endorsing laming.]

I wouldn't say this is lame...just very boring. Russia needs this card, Iroquois doesn't need Great House. Instant build Forts, however, are VERY lame. Good Job WaCkO, a nice BO to a very nice strategy.

Looks really good! Thanks for taking the time to share this.

Quoted from Destiny_Devil:

Even if it is with an overall up civ, laming sucks big time, kind of ironic how wacko is pretty much endorsing laming.

I've always understood that something was lame if it requires very little skill to use and is powerful in the extreme (I admit that I don't like the term very much, so I may be slightly misusing it.) I haven't really seen too much evidence that Russia becomes OP with this, and given how much skill it takes to pull it off well, I could never equate it with things like the Agent Rush, German War Wagon spam, etc. But maybe I just use the term differently...

Great Strategy Wacko,
i was working ina thing VERY similar, but more aimed to FI.
well, you were first
(maybe ill ask you things on ESO, just as micky )

this is why i hate playing russia as sioux.

is there ANY way to counter this (assuming both are in age 4)

Siege dance might work..

You need to be weary of a potential rush.

That should be "wary" i'm assuming unless a potential rush makes you pretty tired heh.

Well written although it has some holes and is no where close to laming.

First 17 vill age up is rather late now a days considering some of the native strats that can hit your very early in colonial. If you ship 700 gold first before troops, or no units at all, and are waiting to drop some BH until you actually see a FB it is quite easily too late.
If you are allowed a naked FF then all well and good but its probably safer to immediately drop at least 1 bh in colonial to at least give the appearance your either rushing or ready to repel a rush.

Fortress is fine. A basic 3 tc turtle boom. Nothing lame about it either.

I disagree in industrial though. HC are created too slow and die too fast to culverin. Any infantry including muskets MUST be protected by at least a few culverin since threading cossacks through anticav to reach falcs is tough late game. And, while cossacks are pop effective, they are no gendarmes where they do well vs their counters. Anything that is pretty much supposed to counter cossacks will handily.

Ya, i agree that strelets are a bit of a handicap as far as pop goes but boyars + strelet combat + AA upgrades make them quite effective against all other infantry in the game and culverin easily protect them from seige. IMO a late game russia makeup should be diverse based on whats needed but mainly consist of strelets backed by cossacks and culverin and fronted with some muskets as needed.

edit: that is of course unless your facing strong cav in which case its pray he makes a dumb mistake.

[This message has been edited by Osheal (edited 06-05-2007 @ 08:24 PM).]

Nice write up

My favorite part for me though, was that there's an ad for a quiz for moms to do

what do u do vs france as russia wacko?

EDIT:

Read the whole thing, nice strat

I dont really understande you reasoning behind excluding strels in late game. ALL of russia's units are pop inefficient, so not using one due to pop inefficiency is silly IMO.

FU Russian musketeers with fencing school and the church technology come out at a staggering pace

so do strels

[This message has been edited by SUX2000 (edited 06-05-2007 @ 09:24 PM).]

Hmmm was working well for me untill I ran into an Iro player who proceeded to rape me but was higher rank.. and then I ran into a Dutch who also raped me somehow...

Gah Why'd you gotta nerf Russia ES?!

Yes, the new russian is turtle. If people start playing them right we might not have so many people complaining about them sucking. Though they do need a boost.

Yea, it's working perfectly just except for going against a civ like Dutch or Iro where they're going to massively out boom you no matter what you try to do when you hit fort.

Opri raids, maybe? You played against me last night, and I noticed a huge thing in the rec. You didn't ever send a raiding group in after the initial set of 10 strelets. As a result I hit fortress at 9:31, Since I didn't see you attempting to attack me, I built a few settlers waited for the 1000 food shipment to arrive and hit Industrial at 13:59. Your economy and military was better than mine at about the 23rd minute of the game. That was the point where you slaughtered my skirmishers with your cossacks. If you had pushed your advantage then, you may have been able to win. (I only had about 10 halbs a few falcs and a few ruyters. I was fully expecting to be attacked which is why I pulled back.)

I also noticed that you had none of my town explored. Not once did an opri raid hit my settlers on the mills, something that would have finished off my unit production almost indefinitely. (Also... Oprichniks are good at taking out banks and factories, especially when there is no military presence, or even a defensive structure in your opponent's town.)

I managed to regain the advantage when I used 10 Waardgelders and several hussars to tear through your strelets and culverins and it was downhill from there the entire way.

Game Stats:
http://www.agecommunity.com/stats/GameStats.aspx?loc=en-US&GameID=7f891a10-4002-4584-b46d-395aaa9c6447&sFlag=1&md=ZS_Supremacy

Anyway, I can post the rec here if you don't mind. That being said, I'll agree with you, Dutch will outboom if you don't do anything to stop them (usually, forcing them to send an extra shipment in Age 2 does it). Nothing happened to my econ throughout the entire game, wheras you were forced to keep moving yours around to avoid my military. I think economic distribution had the biggest impact on that game. At one point you had about 5k wood stocked up that wasn't being spent. That is a pretty striking amount to be off imo. (Probably the result of having to move your settlers around in the midst of trying to control a constant battle). I guess that's my take on why you lost to the dutch player who beat you somehow. -Quis_stat

Amazing strat, anyway. Just don't use a lot of strelets if you have to use any at all. I was really quite frightened when I saw those walls going up as fast as they were. And when I had to kill about 6 town centers that were replaced faster than I could destroy them, that was a little disturbing.

Yea the thing about that game is I didn't see the Has reached the Industrial Age! Untill you had the musketeers at my base which completely threw me off, I was hoping for a little bit more time to get my vill count up and then start going industrial.

I didn't really have a chance to get an Opri raid going, once I got my forward line established, I ran out of hunts so was messing with my vills and then you attacked with a rather alarmingly large force of skirms ruyters cannons and stadhouders. Yea the wood was stockpiled because I had to keep moving 20 vills off of the mine when you attacked and they gathered the wood extremely fast with all my upgrades on em. By the time I got my plantations built it was too late, I was fighting guard skirm spam with veteran strelets. My original plan was to do a Slow-FI and fort hop but I got pre-occupied and you attacked earlier than I had expected.

Overall I played that game terribly but there is a major flaw with it since Dutch has the capability to heavily out boom Russia.

Oh and I didn't push my attack because my eco was in shambles, I had maybe 7 cossacks left and a few strelets and I could see with my wall your halbs running around.

I have thought that aging up with 14 villies when being rushed is better then 17 villies. Have you ever experimented with 14 villies? 17 villies just seems always way to slow.

[This message has been edited by Hockeystar (edited 06-06-2007 @ 04:01 PM).]

Eh, wtf a game where LordKivlov didnt raid????! and he was playing Russia too?! has the world gone backwards or somthing?!