posted 22 September 2007 01:44 PM EDT (US)
Ferral/Yoma’s SeT Guide.
Skip this if you would just prefer the practical stuff.
SeT is definitely my favorite god in AoT. It is quite fun to see the enemy’s early rush/raid thwarted by a few animals. He has many strategies, and playing him will give you greatvariety in your games. In other words, it is very hard to get bored playing as him (As opposed to something like Isis.)
I would like to start off my guide by saying why I spell SeT the way I do. To be honest, this is simply to differentiate between the verb “set” and the god (who isn’t very commonlymentioned due to his supposed UPness.)
Is SeT a UP god?
The answer is no. If you want to talk about a UP god, talkabout Gaia, or Odin.
SeT at least can counter cavalry and MUs. SeT can effectively counter every strategy with his one of his own. However, Isis is favored due to her OPness.
How Does SeT stack up against Isis?
I would prefer to use then both in different situations. SeT is quite better against more aggressive gods like Kronos, Loki, or Thor.
But Isis is better in matches where the enemy is playing a god like Hades, or Odin.
Start here for all the practical stuff.
What is SeT’s strategy?
Land:
Ok, you basically you are aiming for a ~5:30 advance. Grab hunting dogs as soon as you set up your granary.
Starting 2 villagers to food.
Next 3 villagers to food.
Next to houses,
3 To gold.
2 To Wood.
~5 more to food.
Temple around now.
Add vills to gold till you can advance, ideally ~3-4
Advance Ptah.
Transition: Queue 3 priests and Grab “Hands of the pharaohs”
Grab Pickaxe on your way to classical, and you may want husbandry too.
Classical:
Well, your priest should’ve been running around converting animals, and you should have the whole map scouted because of your animals. Get all your animals together, 4 priests, wadget, and pharaoh together and start messing with the enemy’s hunts. You may even kill a few villagers, depending on how far they are away from tcs/towers.
Keep Queuing villagers to whatever resource you need, get your armory up, and go heroic.
Transition to Heroic:
Grab Handaxe, and put ~4-5 food villies to wood
NOTE: The beauty of SeT is being aggressive in the classical, without sacrificing a good heroic advance time.
Heroic:
Build a forward miggy near a gold mine, and start mining from it. Put up a siege workshop too, with one of the villies.
Queue Chariots. They are probably the best unit you have access to. After your heroic, queue villagers to food, then you can start making elies. Hopefully the game will end by now.
NOTE: Please Don’t Make Camels……….
Water: SeT is a great civ on water.
What I usually do……..
1 vill and pharaoh to dock+house
Other starter to food.
4 more vills to food
5 to wood
NOTE: Don’t Forget Houses.
5 to gold
temple+monuement
Rest to food till you can advance.
Get Handaxe in transition to classical. Get Pickaxe if you are feeling lucky/have extra wood (on maps like highland where there is not a lot of fish to take.)
What I am doing during the BO. (meddit)
Step 1. Vision over Both the water and the land. This is because I want to find a good place to build my dock (near fish) and some pigs.
Step 2. Bring your 2 starting pigs over. They are your food source, do not build a granary.
Step 3. Use your initial Hyena to find more pigs and take them to your tc.
Step 4. Use your priest to convert animals. Try to use animals like lions as scouts, and later an army, and boars/buffalo as food. Always eat hunts (Meaty SeT animals) first, then proceed to pigs. You should delete the boars/buffalo, instead of wasting vill seconds to shoot arrows at it.
To be honest, you would be surprised how much food 5 vills and some ships can get you.
Step 5. Spam a lot of docks. The sheer number of your docks will inhibit you from ever losing water before you get heroic.
Once Heroic:
1. Start walling a side off, that way it is safe, and you don’t have to worry about the enemy gold starving you that way.
2. Spam Ships (siege ships/ram ships), Most of the times you will be grushed (galley rushed)
3. Get your miggy up and spam elies, they are easy to spam since you have a high food income. Spam barracks and miggys to get as many troops into battle as possible. You should be at pop limit as much as possible.
SeT god Choices:
Ptah vs. Anubis
Ok, IMO, it is better to go Ptah for a few different reasons.
1.Wadget is a great MU for killing villies early.
2. Techs that benefit the Axe, Sling, Spear instead of just the spear. (although fh is better than cf) but, semi fh is ok.
3. Shifting Sands- Probably one of the sneakier gps of SeT IMO. SeT is a sneaky god, this gp allows you to shift, more of less, your whole army to anywhere in your LOS. Maybe you want to SS some enemy units onto the hill on alfhiem? Or vision+ SS some goats on oasis. The possibilities are endless.
4. Shaduf- Best tech ever. Makes farms 33% cheaper.
Sekthmet vs. Nephthys
Nephthys’s Priest upgrades are pretty much invaluable. I suggest going her unless you are up against Isis. Then the ancestors gp is useless (monuments and priest), and the improved priests are useless, unless the enemy seriously MASSES scorps.
Skethmet:
Scarab is a decent MU, and with SeT, you can SS it, attacking buildings, and bypass the bad pathing of it.
Why to Go Skethmet against Isis?:
She has more bonuses (that you can use) in Isis vs. SeT. Her gp helps even out Isis’s pop advantage (and you can’t use ancestors anyway), and the bone bow tech makes your CA>his CA.
Thoth vs. Horus
If you FHed and have lots of miggys, go thoth, if you have classical fought, and have tons of barracks, go horus.
TBH, I prefer Thoth. His Elies are the best Multi-Purpose unit in the game.
NOTE on Classical Fighting:
The best way to classical fight as eggy is to make 3 barracks, then group them.
Hit the group button, then the hotkeys until your food/wood go to around 0. Then, if you have spare gold, queue priests. This helps use all of our resources as efficiently as possible.
SeT Against Other Civs:
SeT vs. Zeus
The key is scouting. Scout with your animals and see if he is going hop+mino, hop+archer+mino, or fm.
If he is going some kind of classical fight, you must classical fight, because of those OP hops, who will rape all your towers down, and kill your gold income.
If he goes FM, you have to Fh, and proceed as usual. Use ~15 neythstys priests to kill any colossus.
SeT vs. Hades
Some Combination of Slings, Siege, CA, and elies. Grab the shields up ASAP.
SeT vs. Possy
11. Elies+CA = gg
SeT vs. Thor
Put up a miggy, siege works and a barracks at a forward gold mine. Get a few spears out, and spam CA. Use spears and animals as meat shield, and have the CA slaughter any RC or whatever else he can be fielding. Be careful of husks, if they appear, start producing some axe.
SeT vs. Loki
If he rushes with Hersir:
Produce enough axe to fight off the intial rush, secure a new gold mine or 2, and hit the button for heroic.
If he goes Hall of Thanes Hersir:
Wall your whole base.
Be aggressive, don’t play defensive. Keep some priests and axe at home, while raiding with some more axe.
SeT vs. Odin
Spam elies for a gg.
SeT vs. Atty
Most atty go heavy on turma. You should semi fh, while producing slings and some priest. Try to secure a new mine. Precede heroic, get the cheaper priest upgrade, and spam priests +slings+ siege towers. Obliviously, go heavy on wood. Seriously, have ~20 on wood.
SeT vs. Krush
Same thing as against Atty. Consider wall segmenting your towers. Micro your starting priests+ pharaoh on those promies, but don’t let them get killed by early turma, or valored oracles. Use the animals to your advantage, and kill some early oracles, before they become valored ones.
SeT vs. Ra (isis like) (CA+elies+siege) and Isis
Make 2 or 3 elies, Half CA and half Slings. Micro!!! Slings -> CA CA-> Elies
Elies -> Are Meatshield Vills mining at forward mine ->enemy siege that are attacking miggy.
Make sure you have ~9 priests for the a/e. You may also want to consider classical fighing, since your slings are the best eggy classical unit.
SeT vs. Ra (camels+ CA+siege)
CA+elies
CA ->camels elies -> camels
SeT vs. SeT
Scout the enemy, and adapt to what he is doing.
I know this isn’t very specific, but this is what all civs have to do against SeT, because SeT can classical fight, or FH.
Odd Things/Insane Things to Try:
Some more Odd Ideas I have Come up With While Playing SeT:
1. Using purely animals to defend a forward tc, while grabbing it and classical fighting.
2. SS scrabs to destroy an enemy tc while fighting somewhere else
3. Villy Rush- Never done that one before. I suggest not to :S
4. SS: ~5 villies to attack docks on meddit while grushing, then once the docks are down, make barracks, and classical fight. 111111111111 sounds insane!! I don’t think it works.
5. Against Isis wall like crazy the gold, then classical fight. Put obelisks up, and then wait for him to start making a miggy. Take your troops (should be an army+ ~9 priest) and SS them to the miggy. Group your priests and focus fire the inevitable a/e. Use all other units on the miggy builders. NOTE: Only do these on rushes maps; don’t try on it on maps like Marsh or Watering Hole.
Special Thanks to ChongChong. He really helped me get a nice idea of what to do as SeT. (also for the BOs)'
Also to WNxWyldeOne, for helping me think of crazy new things to try as SeT.
And to AoTH_Dominat0r, who i am teaching. He helped me relearn some of the gods i had thought i had mastered.
Here it is; ChongChong recs. I probably have ~40 on my pc.
Thank God SCII finally has a release date but it so so damn far away...
ESO Name: AoTH_ZoOkEePeR
SeT is definitely my favorite god in AoT. It is quite fun to see the enemy’s early rush/raid thwarted by a few animals. He has many strategies, and playing him will give you greatvariety in your games. In other words, it is very hard to get bored playing as him (As opposed to something like Isis.)
I would like to start off my guide by saying why I spell SeT the way I do. To be honest, this is simply to differentiate between the verb “set” and the god (who isn’t very commonlymentioned due to his supposed UPness.)
The answer is no. If you want to talk about a UP god, talkabout Gaia, or Odin.
SeT at least can counter cavalry and MUs. SeT can effectively counter every strategy with his one of his own. However, Isis is favored due to her OPness.
I would prefer to use then both in different situations. SeT is quite better against more aggressive gods like Kronos, Loki, or Thor.
But Isis is better in matches where the enemy is playing a god like Hades, or Odin.
Ok, you basically you are aiming for a ~5:30 advance. Grab hunting dogs as soon as you set up your granary.
Starting 2 villagers to food.
Next 3 villagers to food.
Next to houses,
3 To gold.
2 To Wood.
~5 more to food.
Temple around now.
Add vills to gold till you can advance, ideally ~3-4
Advance Ptah.
Grab Pickaxe on your way to classical, and you may want husbandry too.
Well, your priest should’ve been running around converting animals, and you should have the whole map scouted because of your animals. Get all your animals together, 4 priests, wadget, and pharaoh together and start messing with the enemy’s hunts. You may even kill a few villagers, depending on how far they are away from tcs/towers.
Keep Queuing villagers to whatever resource you need, get your armory up, and go heroic.
Grab Handaxe, and put ~4-5 food villies to wood
NOTE: The beauty of SeT is being aggressive in the classical, without sacrificing a good heroic advance time.
Build a forward miggy near a gold mine, and start mining from it. Put up a siege workshop too, with one of the villies.
Queue Chariots. They are probably the best unit you have access to. After your heroic, queue villagers to food, then you can start making elies. Hopefully the game will end by now.
Water: SeT is a great civ on water.
What I usually do……..
1 vill and pharaoh to dock+house
Other starter to food.
4 more vills to food
5 to wood
NOTE: Don’t Forget Houses.
5 to gold
temple+monuement
Rest to food till you can advance.
Get Handaxe in transition to classical. Get Pickaxe if you are feeling lucky/have extra wood (on maps like highland where there is not a lot of fish to take.)
Step 1. Vision over Both the water and the land. This is because I want to find a good place to build my dock (near fish) and some pigs.
Step 2. Bring your 2 starting pigs over. They are your food source, do not build a granary.
Step 3. Use your initial Hyena to find more pigs and take them to your tc.
Step 4. Use your priest to convert animals. Try to use animals like lions as scouts, and later an army, and boars/buffalo as food. Always eat hunts (Meaty SeT animals) first, then proceed to pigs. You should delete the boars/buffalo, instead of wasting vill seconds to shoot arrows at it.
To be honest, you would be surprised how much food 5 vills and some ships can get you.
Step 5. Spam a lot of docks. The sheer number of your docks will inhibit you from ever losing water before you get heroic.
Once Heroic:
1. Start walling a side off, that way it is safe, and you don’t have to worry about the enemy gold starving you that way.
2. Spam Ships (siege ships/ram ships), Most of the times you will be grushed (galley rushed)
3. Get your miggy up and spam elies, they are easy to spam since you have a high food income. Spam barracks and miggys to get as many troops into battle as possible. You should be at pop limit as much as possible.
Ok, IMO, it is better to go Ptah for a few different reasons.
1.Wadget is a great MU for killing villies early.
2. Techs that benefit the Axe, Sling, Spear instead of just the spear. (although fh is better than cf) but, semi fh is ok.
3. Shifting Sands- Probably one of the sneakier gps of SeT IMO. SeT is a sneaky god, this gp allows you to shift, more of less, your whole army to anywhere in your LOS. Maybe you want to SS some enemy units onto the hill on alfhiem? Or vision+ SS some goats on oasis. The possibilities are endless.
4. Shaduf- Best tech ever. Makes farms 33% cheaper.
Nephthys’s Priest upgrades are pretty much invaluable. I suggest going her unless you are up against Isis. Then the ancestors gp is useless (monuments and priest), and the improved priests are useless, unless the enemy seriously MASSES scorps.
Scarab is a decent MU, and with SeT, you can SS it, attacking buildings, and bypass the bad pathing of it.
She has more bonuses (that you can use) in Isis vs. SeT. Her gp helps even out Isis’s pop advantage (and you can’t use ancestors anyway), and the bone bow tech makes your CA>
If you FHed and have lots of miggys, go thoth, if you have classical fought, and have tons of barracks, go horus.
TBH, I prefer Thoth. His Elies are the best Multi-Purpose unit in the game.
The best way to classical fight as eggy is to make 3 barracks, then group them.
Hit the group button, then the hotkeys until your food/wood go to around 0. Then, if you have spare gold, queue priests. This helps use all of our resources as efficiently as possible.
SeT vs. Zeus
The key is scouting. Scout with your animals and see if he is going hop+mino, hop+archer+mino, or fm.
If he is going some kind of classical fight, you must classical fight, because of those OP hops, who will rape all your towers down, and kill your gold income.
If he goes FM, you have to Fh, and proceed as usual. Use ~15 neythstys priests to kill any colossus.
SeT vs. Hades
Some Combination of Slings, Siege, CA, and elies. Grab the shields up ASAP.
SeT vs. Possy
11. Elies+CA = gg
SeT vs. Thor
Put up a miggy, siege works and a barracks at a forward gold mine. Get a few spears out, and spam CA. Use spears and animals as meat shield, and have the CA slaughter any RC or whatever else he can be fielding. Be careful of husks, if they appear, start producing some axe.
SeT vs. Loki
If he rushes with Hersir:
Produce enough axe to fight off the intial rush, secure a new gold mine or 2, and hit the button for heroic.
If he goes Hall of Thanes Hersir:
Wall your whole base.
Be aggressive, don’t play defensive. Keep some priests and axe at home, while raiding with some more axe.
SeT vs. Odin
Spam elies for a gg.
SeT vs. Atty
Most atty go heavy on turma. You should semi fh, while producing slings and some priest. Try to secure a new mine. Precede heroic, get the cheaper priest upgrade, and spam priests +slings+ siege towers. Obliviously, go heavy on wood. Seriously, have ~20 on wood.
SeT vs. Krush
Same thing as against Atty. Consider wall segmenting your towers. Micro your starting priests+ pharaoh on those promies, but don’t let them get killed by early turma, or valored oracles. Use the animals to your advantage, and kill some early oracles, before they become valored ones.
SeT vs. Ra (isis like) (CA+elies+siege) and Isis
Make 2 or 3 elies, Half CA and half Slings. Micro!!! Slings ->
Elies ->
Make sure you have ~9 priests for the a/e. You may also want to consider classical fighing, since your slings are the best eggy classical unit.
SeT vs. Ra (camels+ CA+siege)
CA+elies
CA ->
SeT vs. SeT
Scout the enemy, and adapt to what he is doing.
I know this isn’t very specific, but this is what all civs have to do against SeT, because SeT can classical fight, or FH.
Some more Odd Ideas I have Come up With While Playing SeT:
1. Using purely animals to defend a forward tc, while grabbing it and classical fighting.
2. SS scrabs to destroy an enemy tc while fighting somewhere else
3. Villy Rush- Never done that one before. I suggest not to :S
4. SS: ~5 villies to attack docks on meddit while grushing, then once the docks are down, make barracks, and classical fight. 111111111111 sounds insane!! I don’t think it works.
5. Against Isis wall like crazy the gold, then classical fight. Put obelisks up, and then wait for him to start making a miggy. Take your troops (should be an army+ ~9 priest) and SS them to the miggy. Group your priests and focus fire the inevitable a/e. Use all other units on the miggy builders. NOTE: Only do these on rushes maps; don’t try on it on maps like Marsh or Watering Hole.
Special Thanks to ChongChong. He really helped me get a nice idea of what to do as SeT. (also for the BOs)'
Also to WNxWyldeOne, for helping me think of crazy new things to try as SeT.
And to AoTH_Dominat0r, who i am teaching. He helped me relearn some of the gods i had thought i had mastered.
Thank God SCII finally has a release date but it so so damn far away...
ESO Name: AoTH_ZoOkEePeR
[This message has been edited by Ferral (edited 09-22-2007 @ 08:07 PM).]
