The town slept quietly, hoping for a good night's sleep. A cold wind swept past the houses, making those outside cringe. They quickly hurried inside, and prepared for bed.

It is now Night 0. Send in your night actions to catabre.ubersoldner@gmail.com.

Take your time...

The town noticed to missing persons that mroning, Nomadic Noodle, and Julius999. At Noodle's house, they found his body beaten with a lead pipe, he was sprawled out on the floor. Julius was just missing, his wife was distraught and desperately hoping that he ahd come to no harm.

Michael Gunter - Hypnotist - IR 4 has died.
Griffin Smith - Scoutmaster - IR 6 has disappeared.

It is now Day 1. With 10 alive it takes 6 votes to lynch.
*IR stands for Interrogation Resistance.


I was actually going to do it earlier, but I was packing. Anyways, while I'm gone next week EoJ will take over. I should have skipped my mafia, but oh well. Be nice for EoJ.

BROOKLYN RAGE!

Catabre, would it be OK if I could have a role list?

I'm curious

Also I noticed you've put me as Anti Town on the main post, shouldn't I technically be neutral?

[This message has been edited by NomadicNoodle (edited 06-26-2009 @ 05:27 PM).]

Ugh, whats with the survivor roles around here?


OK, so we presumably have two scum groups, one of which kills, and the other just disappears? Seems odd, but hey ho.

So, I guess we are either waiting for a cop result, or straight into the jolly old random pressure. i sincerely hope no-one is going to suggest a no-lynch?

Why would we suggest a No Lynch? We just started.

Vote: Hair of Elessar

Vote: Hair of Elessar

I loled. Random it is Vote: Hier.

Hmm. Interesting kills. Random doesn't seem like a bad idea. Vote: Heir

By the way why didn't our Doc protect Julius? I'm gona want an explanation from him once he RC's

Quoted from Droideka:

Vote: Hair of Elessar

Quoted from Henrz:

Vote: Hier

Come on people, at least get the spelling right!

I want majority support for people wanting me to claim so that I can judge whether it is in the town's best interests for me to claim. Therefore, for all those wanting my claim, all you need to do is to say it. As soon as a majority of the players say that I should claim, I will claim.

A claim from you at this stage is as good as anything. At least it starts the ball rolling.

By the way why didn't our Doc protect Julius? I'm gona want an explanation from him once he RC's

Why should he? There were 11 players he could protect, with no idea which were the important ones. For all he knew, Julius was scum.

Come to think of it, for all we know, there might not be a doc...

Omgzor, another mafia and I missed it Damn you all, damn you all!

That leaves me waiting on three more people for a majority....

Not that I have anything against you Heir, but please roleclaim.

Or we could use FoS's for RC's?

5 then. And yes, you can use FoSes. In fact, that'd be better.

Basically, I want majority approval cause I don't want 3-4 scum coming up, demanding an RC and getting one. At least with majority support I can be sure that an RC is what the town wants too.

Unvote
FoS: Hier.

FoS: Hair

So thats the required plurality. Just waiting on you, Hare

I guess I'll add in an FoS, though many of you have probably noticed random roleclaims aren't at the top of my list. Though like someone said, in a game like this it gets the ball rolling.

FoS: Hair

How dare you place your finger upon my hair! How dare you!

Very well then....

I am Ryan Graubner, a thief. I can steal a player's item for one night but I must return it the next night.
I targeted Julius last night, but my action failed. That might've been because he was killed last night.

How dare you place your finger upon my hair! How dare you!

It's my hair and my pet hares that are in danger here, Henrz.

I am Ryan Graubner, a thief. I can steal a player's item for one night but I must return it the next night.
I targeted Julius last night, but my action failed. That might've been because he was killed last night.

I don't buy it. You didn't mention if you had a weapon/tool which you should have. What's your weapon/tool?

I have a lockpick set, if that's what you mean by tool....

I have a lockpick set, if that's what you mean by tool....

Ok, I would be suprised if there wasn't a thief in this Mafia. It's quite a risky RC for scum to make. I think you're cleared for now. Another random vote?

Unvote, Vote: dsmi1

I don't think I've heard from him since the thread started.

An inactivity hunt already?

I can steal a player's item for one night but I must return it the next night.

So does this mean that you take the players tool from them for that night, which surely would mean they'd be unable to make an action if I'm correct. Therefore your a thief whose also roleblocks?

Or can you also use that item before returning it? or what?


Abnd droid seems to be very eager to take the claim at face value, without asking further questions. Tell me, why is it more likely to have a thief in this kind of game than any other

So does this mean that you take the players tool from them for that night, which surely would mean they'd be unable to make an action if I'm correct. Therefore your a thief whose also roleblocks?

I haven't been intimated about any such condition. It's possible though. I'll ask Catabre when he comes back.

Or can you also use that item before returning it? or what?

I haven't been told about this too. I'll clarify both points through the mod. Has FoO taken over this one?

I was under the impression that being able to find out which tool someone has allows me to judge what they are, as in, if I get a gun from someone who claims a woodcutter, its obvious that he's lying. So I thought it was a kind of cop-like action.

Oh, EoJ was supposed to take over. Well, he's gone for the weekend too... :/

I don't buy it.

Well, would you bother to give any reasons so that I can counter them? And if you have any problems regarding the unanswered questions about the roleblocking ability and stuff, I assure you I'll answer them in this thread as soon as the mod does so to me through email.

Hmm it could be plausible, but I'm confused why Droid was saying it's 100% confirmed.

I'm here. You guys play, I'll just run things until Cat gets back

I haven't been intimated about any such condition. It's possible though. I'll ask Catabre when he comes back.

Yeah thats what I thought would be the answer, am I right in thinking that everyone else also has very little flavour in their roles?

I don't buy it.

Oh Ash. I just shouted at you in Diablo for doing this exact same thing ! Please state why you don't buy his role instead of just saying it! Lets give Heir something to defend himself against shall we? I don't want to have to start another debate against you for the same reasons !

As for my opinion I am a bit concerned as there does seem to be a lot of ambiguity over the role as to whether he also roleblocks the player or can use that players item, or both perhaps. Because surely if Heir steals the weapon/tool then that player can't use his action but Heir gains an action? Which would make sense in conjunction with the fact that if you get another players itme you also gain their role.

And also the fact that it failed draws suspicion. Is there anybody who can say that their role and action night 0 could have caused Heirs action to fail? I don't want a roleclaim or anything just a sentence along the lines of 'My actions night 0 may have effected Heirs ability and possibly caused it to fail'

But I think we should leave it for now at least until Catabre gets back when Heir can get some answers from him. Because I'm unsure as to what extent EoJ would be able to answer the questions or would wish to as he might say something Catabre may not want to be revealed.

I have basically none.

Oh Ash. I just shouted at you in Diablo for doing this exact same thing ! Please state why you don't buy his role instead of just saying it! Lets give Heir something to defend himself against shall we? I don't want to have to start another debate against you for the same reasons !

Yeah I actually didn't have that much time to post, that's not an excuse. Sorry about that.

So I will oblige:

Heir is Scum:
1) Heir doesn't say what item he has in his claim, a tad suspicious, as scum may not have items this game, but we have no way of knowing.
2) He has the role of a thief, but uses lockpicks? Sure thieves use lockpicks in real life but when thinking about what thieves actually do in mafias that doesn't quite make sense.
3) Droid was really quick to write off his claim and go for someone else, could be his scum partner?
4) His role doesn't really make that much sense, as if he steals from someone at night, does their action go through or not? Like Banned said, a lot of ambiguity there.
5) He just happened to have targeted a player last night who is now dead.
6) His action also happened to fail

Heir is Town:
1) If Heir was scum it would take a lot of balls for him to claim something so easily proven
2) The role would actually be something nice to include in the game considering the theme, however being able to sap people's roles isn't exactly pro-town

So as you can see, there's only really two reasons to keep him around but 6 to lynch him, and even one of the reasons to keep him around entail that he could hurt the Town more than help them. I'm really inclined to lynch him, but I'll see what others have to say, first, and allow Heir a chance to defend himself.

Well I would fully expect someone with lockpicks to be in this mafia. Though I do agree there are some unclear things about his role.

On the other hand. The thief might not be a pro-town role in this Mafia. Therefore he won't be counter-claimed. Hmmm.

The thief role is generally someone who can steal an object relating to a person's role. In a sense they are a type of cop. Depending on the host, the person they targeted may or may not lose their ability.

A lockpicker would fit with the role, in the context of this mafia.

At the moment, the claim doesn't seem especially suspicious. It is, however, convienient that he investigated one of the players that was killed.

On the other hand. The thief might not be a pro-town role in this Mafia. Therefore he won't be counter-claimed. Hmmm.

Exactly. He steals people's roles. That doesn't help the Town out at all, scum or not.

Exactly. He steals people's roles. That doesn't help the Town out at all, scum or not.

True. Stealing another townies role wouldn't help the town at all. Seems more like a Mafia role IMO.

Ok. Thanks for the reasons. I shall now proceed to counter them....

Quoted from Ashrzr:

1) Heir doesn't say what item he has in his claim, a tad suspicious, as scum may not have items this game, but we have no way of knowing.

I missed out on providing that, unfortunately. It was only when Droideka pointed it out that I noticed I hadn't provided that. My bad.

Quoted from Ashrzr:

2) He has the role of a thief, but uses lockpicks? Sure thieves use lockpicks in real life but when thinking about what thieves actually do in mafias that doesn't quite make sense.

Well, many of the roles in mafia are actually derived from real life. And we can't still be sure what thieves exactly do in this mafia, so I'll wait for the mod's clarification before I comment further on this.

Quoted from Ashrzr:

3) Droid was really quick to write off his claim and go for someone else, could be his scum partner?

Yeah, and everyone else who got convinced that my claim is solid is scum too?

Quoted from Ashrzr:

4) His role doesn't really make that much sense, as if he steals from someone at night, does their action go through or not? Like Banned said, a lot of ambiguity there.

I assure you I shall clear all ambiguity as soon as the mod clarifies my aforementioned doubts. Until then, please be patient.

Quoted from Ashrzr:

5) He just happened to have targeted a player last night who is now dead.
6) His action also happened to fail

I think my action happened to fail because I targeted, to all intents and purposes, a dead player. How can you perform whatever action on a dead player?

Quoted from Ashrzr:

Exactly. He steals people's roles. That doesn't help the Town out at all, scum or not.

My role-email states that I get a person's weapon/tool for one night, but must return it the next night. That hardly leaves me with anytime to actually use it, so I feel that it might be more of an investigative action than roleblocking or 'role-stealing', as you put it.

Quoted from Mafiawiki:

The Thief is a pro-Town informative role that targets one player each night to 'steal' an 'item' related to that player's role. For example, if a Thief targets a Goon or a Vigilante, they are likely to obtain a gun. Or if a thief targets Isaac Newton they are likely to steal an apple.

The Thief can be also considered to be a Flavor Cop.

Hardly a role-stealer then as long as the mod follows conventional definitions. And I'm surprised at the fact that you all want to lynch a role that can be so easily proved.

Quoted from HG Mafia terminology:

Thief: A role which is able to steal items from a player each night. These are often clues to the person's role or alignment but can also be abilities, depending on implementation.

So, I might get extra abilities, but nowhere does it say that the person I'm stealing from loses his ability/ies. Although, that still depends on implementation, so I'd like to get a clarification from the mod.

Can EoJ answer any of my doubts?

My role-email states that I get a person's weapon/tool for one night, but must return it the next night. That hardly leaves me with anytime to actually use it, so I feel that it might be more of an investigative action than roleblocking or 'role-stealing', as you put it.

So you steal someones tool/weapon but can't actually use it? There's still a lot of things that aren't cleared up. I guess we wait for Catabre to come back.

I missed out on providing that, unfortunately. It was only when Droideka pointed it out that I noticed I hadn't provided that. My bad.

That was something pretty darn important to leave out...

Yeah, and everyone else who got convinced that my claim is solid is scum too?

I don't think anyone else is really convinced.

I assure you I shall clear all ambiguity as soon as the mod clarifies my aforementioned doubts. Until then, please be patient.

This is something scum do all the time. You make the players wait and hope they move onto something else in impatience, thus forgetting about you and you're clear for another day. Something like that won't work on me, I've seen it happen too many times.

I think my action happened to fail because I targeted, to all intents and purposes, a dead player. How can you perform whatever action on a dead player?

Honestly, I don't think I've ever seen an action on a dead player fail, much less in any of Catabre's games, and I've played in probably 5 games of his.

My role-email states that I get a person's weapon/tool for one night, but must return it the next night. That hardly leaves me with anytime to actually use it, so I feel that it might be more of an investigative action than roleblocking or 'role-stealing', as you put it.

Then that's a pointless role, which makes you seem even more scummy.

Hardly a role-stealer then as long as the mod follows conventional definitions.

That's not convential definitions at all, based on what's been said.

And I'm surprised at the fact that you all want to lynch a role that can be so easily proved.

I look at it this way - when weighing whether I want to lynch scum or not, I just chart all the pros and cons and you just happen to have a lot more pros pointing to lynching you.

So, I might get extra abilities, but nowhere does it say that the person I'm stealing from loses his ability/ies.

I thought you said so? Besides, if you're stealing the ability, that pretty much means you're taking it away. Not to mention, according to you, you "return" your ability to the player, that must mean you're taking it away from him, no? Caught in a lie much?

So, as much as I'd like to wait, that's about a week's wait and to me it just looks like a scum ploy to make us all forget about you and that you're hoping we move onto someone else. Then you won't have to explain yourself, and you've secured yourself another night.

With all that said, I'm going to add a vote on Heir. It just seems fishy to me. The fact that he said he's not stealing the role, when he's repeatedly said he returns it to the player the next night, was the nail on the coffin.

Vote: Hair

I thought you said so? Besides, if you're stealing the ability, that pretty much means you're taking it away. Not to mention, according to you, you "return" your ability to the player, that must mean you're taking it away from him, no? Caught in a lie much?

Nice catch, I missed that.

So, as much as I'd like to wait, that's about a week's wait and to me it just looks like a scum ploy to make us all forget about you and that you're hoping we move onto someone else. Then you won't have to explain yourself, and you've secured yourself another night.

Well I don't think we would forget about him at this point, but I do think we need to keep this game moving. Besides if Heir turns up town then we can look into you tommorrow. Though I highly doubt he's town.

With all that said, I'm going to add a vote on Heir. It just seems fishy to me. The fact that he said he's not stealing the role, when he's repeatedly said he returns it to the player the next night, was the nail on the coffin.

Agreed. His role keeps changing every time he posts.

Unvote, Vote: Heir

That was something pretty darn important to leave out...

I agree, but I didn't realise I'd left it out. I think you can make an allowance for a mistake that was amended two posts later.

I don't think anyone else is really convinced.

Naturally. I haven't been able to answer anyone's doubts yet. And it is good that the town isn't convinced about an RC without evidence to the contrary. However, evidence to the contrary can be provided only when Catabre returns, so obviously no one's convinced.

Then that's a pointless role, which makes you seem even more scummy.

Ok, so supposing I am a flavor cop, as the definition from mafiawiki suggests, would it still be such a pointless role? I would advocate waiting for the time-being. I don't think its worth lynching a potential town cop(of whatever sort).

That's not convential definitions at all, based on what's been said.

Nothing has been definitely said yet. I'm just waiting for mod clarifications and as soon as that's done, I'll let everyone know exactly what I do and how I do it.

I thought you said so? Besides, if you're stealing the ability, that pretty much means you're taking it away. Not to mention, according to you, you "return" your ability to the player, that must mean you're taking it away from him, no? Caught in a lie much?

Not at all. It is exactly what my role email states. I'll just write the gist of it again.

"If I steal a player's item, I can have it for one night only and then return it the next night."
All the rest that has been said by anyone else, including me, is complete speculation. I could be a cop, a role-blocker, a role-stealer, but that is speculation. All I know is what I've stated above.

Now since I get the results of my action at the end of the night(at least that happened this time), where would I find the time to use it? Which is why I speculated about my role being a flavor cop of some sort. Cause that is, as you said, a completely pointless role.

So, as much as I'd like to wait, that's about a week's wait and to me it just looks like a scum ploy to make us all forget about you and that you're hoping we move onto someone else. Then you won't have to explain yourself, and you've secured yourself another night.

With all that said, I'm going to add a vote on Heir. It just seems fishy to me. The fact that he said he's not stealing the role, when he's repeatedly said he returns it to the player the next night, was the nail on the coffin.

I have no idea about stealing my role or anything. And if you can forget about me in a week, then you definitely are suffering from a case of memory loss.

This is something scum do all the time. You make the players wait and hope they move onto something else in impatience, thus forgetting about you and you're clear for another day. Something like that won't work on me, I've seen it happen too many times.

Well, if you can point out a way through which I can get the answers from Catabre before he returns, I'd be glad to do that. Until then though....

Agreed. His role keeps changing every time he posts.

Look above for the gist of my role. Apart from that, whatever has been said about my role so far, even by me or someone else, is complete speculation. So, I(or anyone, for that matter) can say anything about my role, but unless the mod clarifies my(and everyone else's) doubts about my role, I can't obviously clearly define my role.

And that said, I'm just 2 votes away from a lynch, so unless everyone is already intent on lynching me without further discussion and me potentially clearing myself, I'd advocate that at least one of you people remove the votes to avoid a speedlynch.

Alright I think we can wait a week.

Unvote

Don't worry I won't forget about Ash

For now lets move on I guess.

Vote: Akrai

Actually, since Droid is jumping all over the place, first backing what looks to be a scummy player, then voting for him (deniability vote?) then unvoting again, I'd like a claim off him


Vote; Droid

That might also help with thoughts about Hair. if droid has been supporting him and then also gives a bad claim, means we may well have found a scum group

That might also help with thoughts about Hair. if droid has been supporting him and then also gives a bad claim, means we may well have found a scum group

Er, Sir Wulf, could you please at least stick to calling me by one name? Please pick one out of the three options Hare, Heir and Hair.