Way to hammer after saying you think neither is scum...

Oh dear. Well I hope Gil is scum.

Occam's razor only applies if the assumptions are equally weighted. They are not.

If gil flips town, DO NOT be an idiot vig and shoot dante. Or do anything to dante. We just established that they have a busdriver.

My god you guys are f***tards. Seriously, there was so much more to do today. It doesn't even matter if you're right here. This was a STUPID ASS DECISION. Ends don't justify means. My god, I'm going to be pissed at you lot if you're right and use that knowledge to discredit my logic in hindsight.

And also: NO!

Everyone who says that gil is a scum who was redirected is a shit head.

HE CANT BE REDIRECTED UNKNOWINGLY BY HIS OWN TEAM.

SERIOUSLY. SHIT HEADS. YOUR LOGIC IS LIKE GAS. YOUR VOTES ARE THE FIRE. STOP SPREADING F***ING FIRE.

AGNAUOFDNLSAFNDSANGLJDANLGDFMASFDKLAMFLDKAMFDAFDAFDA

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Occam's razor only applies if the assumptions are equally weighted. They are not.

The whole point of Occam's razor is that you do not know which assumption to make, therefore there is no way to weigh them except subjectively. So you are forced to make a decision on the number of assumptions rather than their weight.

Well, apparently that just happened...

Only one of the two had to be re-directed, but if Dante was re-directed it would have only had to been once for them to both be town, whereas for them both the be town and Gil to have been re-directed (read: not lying), he would have had to have been re-directed twice. Both theories assumed that the person being lynched was lying, so that person did not have to have been re-directed at all.

It was still a stupid decision to hammer already, but it was the best lead we have. And like Thymole said, whether Gil is town or not doesn't prove anything except the presence or probable absence of a re-director of some sort. If He's town, it's clear one exists. If he's scum, and more specifically, Wikileaks, then it isn't necessarily true that there is a re-director (though there still could be).

Well let's see what happens when Yeeb takes this game to night.

The whole point of Occam's razor is that you do not know which assumption to make, therefore there is no way to weigh them except subjectively. So you are forced to make a decision on the number of assumptions rather than their weight.

Idea: Ash is scum
Assumption: Ash is scum
Action: Per Occam's razor, ash is a much more viable lynch than gil, because there's only one assumption being made.

Herp a derp. This is the kind of idiocy that results when we rationalize not using our brains! We're capable of thinking and can therefore attempt to determine which assumptions have higher qualitative features!

And no, the point of Occam's razor is not to deal with situations in which you can't figure out which assumptions to make; it is to deal with situations wherein you can be less specific to accept a more probable, but more generic answer.

I would peg dante as the most scummy

then maybe ash and mozzy at the moment...

Then scragins...

I'm scum in Thymole's eyes because I disagree with him along with everyone else. Thy, why don't you just call everyone scum? You're becoming more and more like Lordy as time passes.

Except Lordy was usually right.

Lordy was usually crap. The kind of crap that everyone would agree was crap. Not just me. Nobody but you thinks I'm remotely like lordy -.-

Nor do I think everyone is scum. Nor does the fact that you disagree with my opinions have anything to do with this. I'm accusing dante, who supported me against gil, who tried to get me lynched.

The problem is that NOBODY HERE is capable of getting over the EMOTIONAL PREMISE that gil's past actions resulted in bad things, which for some reason means they must have had bad intentions despite logical contradictions to that kind of behavior.

His ratio of claiming his actual role as town to not was like 1:4

Wait, but why am I the bad guy now. We havent even seen Gil flip yet, but you already know he's going to flip town?

You said I wasnt scum and now I am scum.
Gil shouldnt be held responsible for his investigations but I should.

Makes sense Lordy.

The problem is that NOBODY HERE is capable of getting over the EMOTIONAL PREMISE that gil's past actions resulted in bad things, which for some reason means they must have had bad intentions despite logical contradictions to that kind of behavior.

Not me.

Votes lined the streets of South Park, a mob had formed against Ser but enough order was retained for a civil discussion before majority was reached. Scragins danced in to the town hall and placed the final vote on Ser, causing widespread gasps and confusion.
'Yeeees, yeeees!' purred Scragins as Ser was lead up to the gallows.

Kyle Broflovski played by Ser Periagil has been lynched. At night he would become the human kite, and could fly aboe a target to determine their allegiance.

Scragins could contain the excitement no longer. He revealed himself as Eric Cartman and begun dancing round Kyle's dead body in victory. 'Na na na na na' he chanted 'Oh yes Kyle, this is glorious!'.
The town looked on in disgust as Cartman's body began to glow. He was inspired by awe itself and then transferred to Valhalla.

Eric Cartman played by Scragins has achieved his win condition of lynching Kyle. Cartman was The Coon at night, and could watch a player to see if they performed a night action.

It is now NIGHT THREE, send in your night actions.

Once again, no death greeted the morning in South Park.

It is now DAY FOUR, 9 alive so 5 to lynch.

You bastards.

^ You bastard.

so... I blocked PoS (yes, I'm a roleblocker. I didn't come forward yesterday because I thought I was onto something, and I am!) yesterday and today. look at that? no kills yesterday and today. PoS is most likely the Cthulhu mafia hitman/killer (maybe even godfather w/ kill?)

anyways, there we go.

vote: PoS

Sounds good to me.

Vote: PoS

I didnt bother using my action last night.

Vote PoS

Stop it. Idiocy will not be rushed again.

We're getting the claim before a lynch.

So help me god, you idiots are not going to speed lynch anyone again. And it had better be pretty clear, because there are still some logical inconsistencies here.

For example, why the f*** wouldn't Dante investigate someone? That's bullshit.

If I keep getting redirected we can't trust my action anyways.

Bullcrap. You have no way of knowing whether or not the scum redirector is a redirector or a busdriver. You also know for a fact that whatever result you get should in theory reveal someone in the game, regardless of whether or not it is pegged to the correct person. That is still a helpful hint.

Carol needs to claim now. As does pulse. I find it highly unlikely that pulse is scum, let alone the mafia hitman. He defended gil. He even asked roleblockers to come forward

Do we really not have any roleblockers that will come forth?

That is THE OPPOSITE of what a blocked mafia hitman would want.

Furthermore, we already had a two shot roleblocker in Mozzy's first edition.

UNVOTE FOR HIM NOW

Further-furthermore, carol was well aware that people were asking for roleblockers to come forward. He loses a great deal of credibility for not doing so sooner.

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And now, let's switch it back to dante. We now know for a fact that there is a scum busdriver/redirector.

That chaos role did tamper with Gil's result. However, for Dante's role to also be town, dante would have had to have been redirected onto the scum role/flavor cop. The co-existence of dante AND this scum role/flavor cop is dubious.

I am highly skeptical of the three who just barged in and voted just now.

Vote: Pulse_of_Shift

There are only nine of us left alive. And we have yet to lynch even one member of the mafia/cult. We're getting pretty close to losing a town majority, I'd say. Pulse, along with everyone who jumped on that bandwagon, needs to claim. Or at least provide some sort of evidence that they are indeed town. Everyone here has played mafia long enough to understand bandwagons are rarely a good thing, particularly in a situation like this. The only beneficial outcome from a lynch like this is one in favor of the mafia: we don't have time to gather clues or discuss. Seeing as how Cthullu is a cult (right?), perhaps the head of it can either kill or attempt a conversion, which would explain a lack of kills and be a perfect cover for CK. I have to rally with Mole in wanting some defense from the bandwagoners.

That's four votes now. One more and we're screwed. FFS, stop voting.

It is pretty obvious at this point. If anything, the scum are desperately stalling the lynch.

Ya Thymole has clearly been scum since Day 1. That scum redirector has really done a number on us. Sweet justice.

Vote: PoS

If he was being blocked, and the kills stopped, then he is clearly the killer

Why would the role-blocker come out only to be re-directed away from the killer?

Finally, we caught our first scum

BOOTLEG DVDs BOOTLEG. D.V.D.s

Pulse was forced into the gallows and killed.

Mr Slave played by Puse_Of_Shift has been lynched. At night he could insert a player into his rectum, 2 events were possible.

Around the town hall, laughter slowly began to dominate, all light was quickly sucked out of the room.
Ash transformed in a whirlwind of lightning and quickly sent the remaining townies to their death.

The Cult of Cthulhu has triumphed!

Roles:

Ashrzr	Cthulhu	The Dark Lord
CarolKarine	Paris Hilton	Mafia stupid whore roleblocker
Coldviper	Chef	Bodyguard
Eruletho	Professor Chaos	Mafia framer
Herr	Captain Hindsight	Town Useless Hero
Mozzy	Mr Garrison	South Park Resident
Phaethon180	Al Gore	Serial Killer Hunter
Pule_of_Shift	Mr Slave	Empowerer
Rotaretilbo	Manbearpig	Serial Killer
Scragins	Eric Cartman	Watcher
Ser Periagil	Kyle Broflovski	Cop
Sir Dante	Wikileaks	Mafia informant
Thymole	Stan Marsh	Jack of all trades
Mozzy	Kenny McCormick	Semi-iron townie
Mozzy	Lemmiwinks	Empoweree

*Mr Slave inserting Lemmiwinks into his rectum would enable Lemmiwinks to become King of the Gerbil and defeat his evil brother, Wikileaks.
*Mr Slave inserting Paris Hilton into his rectum would lead to her death.

GG, why do ALL my serial killers get killed before night 1 D:? Extra information available upon request.


Night 0
Herr was framed.
Herr was investigated by Gil and returned as guilty.

[This message has been edited by Yeebaagooon (edited 03-07-2013 @ 01:33 PM).]

Ha! I had even called Kenny as iron to be ironic!

Good game guys

I really thought we were going to lose after failing kills twice in a row.

woot.

Meh, town was a bunch of f***tarded idiots.

Who did the mafia try to shoot last night and why did they fail? Was it me? I would have been so happy if my busdrive had redirected from me and onto ash. Knew he was scum...

I think the balance of the game was good though. A nice mix of roles and a good number.

Props to mozzy for bringing about our loss. You're so smart. Its really cute when you try to pretend your thoughts are worth our time and get angry when I show you otherwise. Congrats on being the only townie to be fooled by the mafia's ploy. Twice.

What was scragins' win condition? Could he win with the town otherwise? I think that his role was rather dumb. It was only very specific circumstance that allowed him to win. Really killed us when he had to leave the game too. Oh well.

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edit: Also, in hindsight I suppose the town wasn't THAT stupid. I mean, they failed use their brains and really argue against the mafia ploy, but really it was ultimately just mozzy who screwed up with some self righteous attitude... It was otherwise just scum.

But honestly, there were some freaking dumb arguments being used...

I mean, I'm annoyed because I can't complain because in hindsight it wasn't the town who was buying them, but like... ARGH. IT WAS STUPID.

oh well... I get to feel smug, arrogant and obnoxious again. Woo....

[This message has been edited by THYMOLE (edited 03-07-2013 @ 02:32 PM).]

I too thought it was a well played game by both the Mafia and Town Thymole. Cheerio.

Who did the mafia try to shoot last night and why did they fail? Was it me? I would have been so happy if my busdrive had redirected from me and onto ash. Knew he was scum...

Yeah? Funny how you never mentioned that.

GG, pplz.

My action proves that it was indeed a suspicion, you nitwit. What other reason would I have for busdriving myself unto you?

to be honest though, it's pretty damning when someone pops out and says that they blocked the same guy twice, and there are no kills.

Thymole, are you actually serious when you act like this?

I just have the absolute worst luck. Almost every person who voted me in some way demonstrated that they had absolutely no clue what was going on. Mozzy Mk.II thought I had somehow killed him Mk.I, despite clear flavor indicating that Cthulhu was behind his Mk.I death. Dante thought I had claimed as a Lyncher with a kill, despite my repeatedly pointing out that the Lyncher claim was a fake claim. Mozzy and Gil accused me of not claiming as a Miller/Survivor initially, despite my claiming third party in my claim. Mozzy and Eru accused me of trying to get a towny lynched, when Phaethon had clearly claimed as third party like myself. PoS clearly hadn't even read my real claim.

CK, Ash, and Mole were one of the only people ostensibly voting for me for logical reasons. And I feel like even they failed to read my last post, where I linked explicit examples of how Serial Killers worked in Yeeb's past games, and pointed out that I could not kill because it would result in my immediate lynch.

In case anyone was wondering, I wasn't lying about my win condition. My victory (being among the last five players alive) would remove me from the game, the way third party roles have always worked in Yeeb's game. The only difference between my role and a proper Survivor was that I don't believe the game could end with me alive unless I'd met my win condition. But in this instance, since Yeeb has always done faction win, allowing me to achieve my win condition after the mafia or town was eliminated wouldn't harm anything.

Every game town derpa derps...

Step up fast, and be the first one to speedlynch and lose like that!

Good job by the mafia though.