The Beholder strikes again!

Have you tested these tiles with units crossing over them? I mean, can a unit with only swimming and forestry cross a tile with water and forest properties?

Quoted from The_Stranger:

As far as i understood this, in AoWSMEd units are placed on map hex (the same object as in game) with standard function. And if unit can be placed on hex - it can be moved here because of the identity of functions.
If AoWSMEd shows in status bar that some hex is Grass/Mountain - we have to assume it can set Dwarf Runemaster here, if Wasteland/Obstacle - it cannot, but still can place some floater/flier.
Just tested - yes, Grass/Hill allows any unit with Walking or higher, while Water/Obstacle requires at least Floating, just like any other hexagon with those Terrain/Move types.

Quoted from The_Stranger:

What do you mean ?
If "Water/Dense Vegetation" - you can test this on 1-hex tile, and even without any tweaking. Swimming unit can be set here, Walking+Forestry cannot, Concealment works - nothing special.

If "Water and Grass/Dense Vegetation" - Water and Grass are different values of one variable therefore both can't be set on the same hexagon.
And if you'll set different values for different hexagons - Water and Grass Terraintypes will work just like None and Obstacle Movetypes for different hexagons of one tile.
I.e. Terrain/Movetype resolving for multi-Terrain tiles is normal in all respects.

Movement/Placement seems to be checked against hexagon, not against each object on hexagon separately - that is why Terrain/Movetype preview in status bar works fine.

Have you checked what happens if you start TC in such a hex?

I still don't see what is new here, though?

Do you have an example of what is possible that wasn't done before, that be great! I assume it is something like we did with the new Dragoncaves or Helms deep?
If so, the decision to keep those limited was practical because then every waterfall would look the same. The current waterfal (with many thanks to you ) looks excellent and also different in many maps you see.

Be careful with combining waterhexes if you mean it in ONE hex (structure/water), because if you have a swimmer on there and the TC is land, the game crashes. Also, sometimes the TC-maps are distorted (which actually looks kinda cool).

[This message has been edited by swolte (edited 02-06-2006 @ 10:33 AM).]

Quoted from swolte:

I'm not sure what "Dragoncave" is, but if it's green Dragon's Lair between "Oasis" and truncated pyramid - its hexagons have different Movement Types (Structure,Mountain) which can be assigned in AoWSMEd without limitations, and i wrote about Terrain Type, which AoWSMEd changes for all non-Transparent hexagons of tile at once.

But it's Structure and, as i already mentioned, for tiles that are not Terrain-specific (ones that can have only Transparent or Used Terrain Type), like Structure resources, this trick don't works (and in most cases is not needed anyway).

Quoted from swolte:

No. I mean, it could be set of Mountain resources with "mountain river" canyon adopted to specific terrains - just like normal Mountains, but with some water. This is not much more restrictive than having 3x Mountains per terrain type + 1x Waterfall. Because, after all, peripheral Mountain hex can overlap Mountain hex of another tile, e.g. usual AoW Mountains.
Again, i did not meant to replace Waterfall (StrongCurrent) with some complex tiles (besides, it would require 1 Waterfall per Terrain), but only possibility to make more tile resources to use with this or another StrongCurrent (or without).

Quoted from swolte:

...is StrongCurrent resource (well, with good FX over good background ). And as such it is inherently not terrain-specific too (both TStrongCurrent and TStructure are descendants of TChangeableTerrainEx).

BTW, if there weren't such a hurry , there would be at least 3 Waterfalls - for 3 directions (D,DL,DR).

Quoted from swolte:

Well, this waterfall looks good when placed manually on map, but it have to be placed on Water hexagon - i.e. not on some Mountain tile, but in front of Mountain. Therefore it's not very easy to make waterfall flowing from water hex (instead of some stony Mountain hex) and look nice at the same time. This limits multitude of "different waterfalls" even more.
After all, in order to receive damage some unit (able to move trough Water, but not Mountain) have to swim through this hex - and it would not go there if waterfall will be just dead end !
To make good canyon with river (mountainous, but not invisible) is complicated enough process, especially due to hexagon elevations (even with "elevated water")... and this would be much easier (not to say possible for RMG) with ready tiles.
And since it will have Water hex, designer could add Water- Rocks and StrongCurrent: this, or original, or another special - "Rapids" (almost the same as "Waterfall", but with another background and with changed trajectory of the same moving water ripple in FX, without high source point). That's more fit for hex that can be crossed in both directions (maybe, true waterfall have to be Water/Obstacle ?).

Quoted from swolte:

Thanks, this relieves me from 3..8 tries with crashes.
But as i mentioned above, subject is not applicable to Structures (and other tile resources that can have only Used and Transparent TerrainTypes) anyway.

[This message has been edited by Turbo Beholder (edited 02-06-2006 @ 10:28 PM).]