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This reads like Healing II is an additional Ability, not just a replacement for some other Ability.

True or false?

Quoted from ZombieEater:

It's a higher level of an existing ability (it's like Vision II, Leadership II and so on).

xl black spider and xl bird-eating-spiders i saw this in disciplesII and its a very scary sight!

imho, aow:sm needs more scarry units, also there could be more types of zombies cause the original one looks not scarry enough, but the sound of the unit is ok and fun.

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Ok, can this be applied to any Ability? Seduce II, Entangle II, etc?

It could be done because there is 2 healing abilities.

yes, why not? there are 2 ignition abilities and 3 resurgence abilities and there is not even a number behind them to see the difference.

[This message has been edited by DarkMystery (edited 04-22-2005 @ 04:02 PM).]

It is the wrong topic but I think the saint could benefit from helaing II also if it's possible.. maybe with a medal?

Great idea, using heal twice or heal twice as effective?

In the current version of the patch, the Saint has Healing II on silver and Healing III on gold (I hope I haven't revealed any confidential information )

[This message has been edited by PawelS (edited 04-22-2005 @ 06:34 PM).]

Heal twice as effective.

(The healing on the Saint might be something for the next testphase. Haven't proposed it yet for the balance team. I'd sure like it on there! )

Is it not possible to give them more uses of healing? If you make healing more effective, that doesn't help units whos health is nearly as much as healing gives.

Herbalist should get Healing II as well.

Unit idea:

Nomad Champion
(IMHO, it's most precise translation of original term, but if needed, i can discuss it separately in Outside Discussions ).
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Description:
Peoples that lives in constant small skirmishes usually able to produce many considerable warriors.
Peoples that obtains a considerable part of food through hunting in open fields tends to produce many good archers - and good bows too.
Nomads (as well as Tigrans) is one of such cultures.
Among other Nomads some fabled Champions excels most of their fellows in both archery and close combat.
Such elite warriors armed with composite longbows and best blades available, and wears considerable (but flexible enough) armor.
They tend to soften up their enemies with poisoned arrows from short bows (also on hand since short arrows is cheaper) before engage in melee.
Nomads do not practice poisoning of long arrows since involved use of barbed arrowheads impairs aerodynamics below Nomads' concept of long-range weapons.
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Therefore, it's typical Mounted Nomad unit, but with
(Poison Darts, Archery, Marksmanship, Charge);
at higher ranks +Magic Mount, Leadership and Willpower;
considerable stats and cost.
Recruited in Champion's Hall, of course.
As Steppe-oriented hi-level unit alternative to Desert-based Chieftain, but slightly cheaper - does not have magic weapon, nor Magic Mount as basic ability, though experienced ones must have quite well control of their steeds, so it's appropriate for higher ranks. Maybe, even Haste at Gold.
Tigran Cat Master seems to work good, so why not - it fills the functional gap.
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BTW, give all archers some weak Strike, let them retaliate.

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And even I make no pretence Of having more than common sence _{- R.W.Wood}
The secret half a country keeps, the whisper in the lane... _{- R.Kipling}
[UPatch 1.4 Team] * STLpack

[This message has been edited by Turbo Beholder (edited 05-08-2005 @ 10:36 PM).]

saint + healingII and III? we will see!

[This message has been edited by DarkMystery (edited 04-23-2005 @ 10:13 AM).]

IMHO, if extra units will be added as non-attached only, first candidates is Animals. They can be added to more-in-style scenarios. As stray units - if someone takes control - so be it, they will be player's unit, otherwise... just good decoration.

One of first my "in line" new unit ideas...
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Name : Skwahl
Type : Creature ; Alignment : None ; Gender : It
Size : Extra Large
Race : Syron (or None)
Attack : 8 (or even 7)
Defense : 9
Damage : 10
Hits : 25
Moves : 48
Resistance : 14
Level : 4

Abilities (Initial):
Animal
Flying
Willpower
Shadow Walker
Night Vision, Vision 2
Death Protection, Holy Protection
Lightning Protection
Strike, Magic Strike, Charge
Grasp, Ram

Abilities (Silver):
Vision 3
Lightning Immunity
Magic Protection

Abilities (Gold):
Vision 4
Cause Fear
Static Shield
Unit Body : slightly brighter (in dark places) and slightly smaller (see Description) version of ForceShip (because it still alive ), with Attack animation moved to Special and new Attack sequence: copied Hit, but at 25 fps instead of 15.

Description:
Skwahl, or Sky Whale of Shadow World.
Rare, but renowned creature whose remains Syrons turns into powerful Forceships. However, it's possible only after death of large and healthy Skwahl of old age. In other words, corpse of creature slain in battle becomes almost useless.
^1->Syrons revere the Skwahl as a sacred being, and can fiercely guard them, and Skwahls smart enough to consider Syrons as their "friends" and in turn also can crush someone who tries to attack nearby Syron.^<-1
They seems not to disapprove creation Forceships from Skwahls' corpses, nor they mistake Forceships for their own kin (perhaps due to perfect eyesight).
Skwahl's vision is nearly as good as Dragons', allowing huge beast to recognize best swarms of sky-plankton over large distances.
Though bulky Skwahl is not best fighter, it can smash flying opponents with its body (forcing target to crash-land) or enhance tentacles' swing with abrupt expiration to lash foes and hurl them away at once.

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And even I make no pretence Of having more than common sence _{- R.W.Wood}
The secret half a country keeps, the whisper in the lane... _{- R.Kipling}
[UPatch 1.4 Team] * STLpack

[This message has been edited by Turbo Beholder (edited 05-13-2005 @ 05:26 PM).]

Quoted from PawelS:

Yes.
I thought about Dragonfly too, but with other approach (less "DirePenguinish" ):
"Giant Dragonfly"
Animal
Flying
Strike
Blurred (? or Block, represents "dodge" movement here)
Charge
? Strangle (as grappling form of attack, but slightly questionable)
Poison Strike
Pole Arm
Vision I
...
...and so on.
and perhaps
"Dragonfly Larva"
Animal
Swimming
Strike
Poison Strike
Charge
Water Concealment
? Strangle (as grappling form of attack, but more questionable)
? (seems to be unachievable...) Growth [Dragonfly] (...but cannot be said certainly without knowledge of Abiliries.pfs structure).
...

Pole Arm seems to be appropriate, because... hmm.... are you acquainted with design of dragonfly mandibles ? As perfect as mantis' claws. Fits their kind of Charge very well.

[This message has been edited by Turbo Beholder (edited 05-08-2005 @ 08:03 PM).]

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[This message has been edited by Turbo Beholder (edited 04-24-2005 @ 10:10 PM).]

Sorceress/sorcerer A human whos mastered the power of the elements. Floating, speed 32. Phase, pass wall, steal enchantment, seeker, float, magic relay, marksman 2 (with upgrades at medals).

No attack/damage. 5 defense, 15-20 resist, not alot of hp. level 4 human

Resist-lightning, cold, fire, magic and physical.

Static Shield, but only the shock persons that attack, not lightning immunity and sorcerers can't strike anyways so lightning strike wouldn't matter. Also attackers might get burned or frozen.

One ranged attack of each of these types,
lightning, cold, fire, magic and physical, plus one attack for damaging walls. Preferably one thats separate from physical, can only be used on walls and only next to them (sorceress casting a spell on the wall to damage it) If not possible, hurl stone or something.

The spell should vary in form as well as elemental type, like maybe cold breath, hurl fireball(fireball, not firebomb, see hurl lightning except fire based) and so on.

[This message has been edited by TruePurple (edited 05-03-2005 @ 05:37 AM).]

Whats the purpose of the different uses of color in creature suggestion descriptions?

Noble, human:
Speed: 40, level: 1, cost= a little bit cheaper then a hero (I was thinking we could increase the cost of heroes though)

Miscellaneous stats, weak for a level 1.(glade runner or wolf type stats)

Main abilities= leadership 1, with leadership 2 and magic relay at silver, and leadership 4 and bards skill at gold.

Willpower.(of course)

[This message has been edited by TruePurple (edited 05-07-2005 @ 02:53 AM).]

Quoted from TruePurple:

I was thinking about "Longboat" or similiar units (i.e. non-Transports) in such context.
I.e. something like:
Elven "Longboat" - Archery,
Frostling "Sealboat" - Throw Spear, Cold Protection
- etc.

IMO, big racial Machines (like "Steam Tank", but it can be exclusion) looks more strange, and boats with small crews is more acceptable.

And perhaps Draconian "Light Catamaran" (they must know more about aero-/hydrodynamics and seems to prefer light constructions to reinforced ones... ).

This line can be enhanced, but hardly in 1.4 patch-mod...

Quoted from TruePurple:

Not necesary it must be gunpowder either, but if they have "Bomber"s, they have some explosives...
I'll try to tweak "Self Destruct #" ability.

Perhaps not the same "Galley", but Goblin "Fireship" or/and "Demolition Boat"/"Bomber Boat" is good idea.

(But how it can be "Nonracial units" ? )(Moved from "Nonracial units" thread.)

Quoted from TruePurple:

U-u-ups. Sorry. Missed it. Since i knew "brander" was word imported to Russian from German (Dutch according to others), i thought it's common term, as most naval terms from Dutch and some German. But as you pointed it out, i checked it.

Quoted from TruePurple:

Problem is - it's wasteful of resources too. And Goblins considered "poor and cheap" style race, right ? So it's not sufficient.
Conversion to fireship was "benefitial scrap" - fate of devaluated ships. Right ?
I don't think Goblins have excess resources either to waste transports or to load transports with explosives "just in case" (hardly can be good ballast: organic substances is not very dense nor even heavier of powders - it's waste of cargo space), so perhaps they will do this "historically authentic" way too...

On other hand, there's other good point: if Goblins is not good workers in general, their Fireships can be merely badly constructed and therefore "disqualified" normal vessels, patched to acceptable condition and loaded with explosives.
Then it's cheap, Transport 1, crippled HP, crippled Armor, crippled Mov (worse quality)...
Also represents abandoned ships as Refugee machine.

Fireship as such must be big enough - high enough to entangle target ship's rigging with its own, since time required to start fire on target.
On the other hand, explosive Fireship ("Demolition Boat") can be only as large as needed to carry good charge and to survive approach. Almost manned torpedo.
(If you want, let's talk naval questions in details on Outside Discussions).

Quoted from TruePurple:

Therefore such boats can be Transported...
Moreover, boats can be award units, because they can be Transported by non-naval Transports (first of all - "Air Galley").

[This message has been edited by Turbo Beholder (edited 05-08-2005 @ 07:56 PM).]

Each boat given racial abilities would be part of the main town recruiting part of the game, not just extra tools for map makers to place on their map (which would generally not be town recruitable units)

As far as I know (from reading the thread starter) the thread about nonracial units is about units that aren't racial at the moment. Not that we can't make them racial in the patch. Anyways in a sense a number of "nonracial units" are already partially racial, since for example, not every race can recruit balloons or cannons or...

In short, this is the wrong thread for this issue!

Also, I asked before but got no response, what is the purpose of the text coloring you guys keep using? Like making words white, light blue or dark blue? What is the legend/key for this?

[This message has been edited by TruePurple (edited 05-08-2005 @ 03:05 PM).]

Quoted from TruePurple:

I want boats in Shipyard too: it looks very strange with 2 big ships and without any boats. One must build and upkeep big ship with Transport 7 even if wanted merely to proceed along the river for some reconnaissance, it looks not very good.

Quoted from TruePurple:

It's extra units anyway.

Quoted from TruePurple:

My own legend is very simple. Resembles (inexactly) in-game abilities color map: Passive, Active, Enchantment, Detrimental abilities (e.g. look in Hex-Ed thread on Mod Forum).
Handy for references to units' properties. I.e. "some Transports" means units with specified ability, not shortened term for "Transport Ship" units. Other colors used mainly to highlighting, or for ranks. I edited most messages in ext. editor using clipboard, so need only to copy color BBcode with #rrggbb values from old articles.

[This message has been edited by Turbo Beholder (edited 05-08-2005 @ 10:00 PM).]

What do you mean, passive, active? Why did you make every word transport in your post light blue?

As far as the issue of boats. I wont discuss it in the wrong thread,(this one) I will discuss it in the nonracial units thread. If you really want to understand why it belongs there then read the starter topic in both threads.

Partly so. But...

Quoted from TruePurple:

"Non-Racial units" starter message suggests thread for "needed balance changes for the nonracial units", and de-facto it's almost exclusively dedicated to balancing of existing non-racial units.
"Extra units" starter message suggests thread mainly for new ILBs for miscellaneous units, but de-facto it was dedicated to new units' performance characteristics no less than to new images - starting from first responce.
So it was merely functional approach.

And boats seems to be too potentially useful for patch's gameplay and consistent-looking setting to talk on this subject in Mod Forum.

Quoted from TruePurple:

Abilities that colored gray vs. white on unit's window in game and used automatically vs. used as action (respectively), nothing more.
But if this color looks too bluish - Ok, i'll change it to this (fair equal-RGB gray - look at html code) to look more definite.

Quoted from swolte:

Is it possible ? What abilities unit must have to transverse lava, but not land nor water ?

[This message has been edited by Turbo Beholder (edited 05-08-2005 @ 11:25 PM).]

Quoted from Turbo Beholder:

Fire Immunity.

Yes, the trick is to not give a unit 'walking'.

I.e. unit without Walking, Sailing, Swimming, Floating and Flying (and movement Enchantments) still can be placed and can move, exclusively on Lava - if it have Fire Immunity ?
Interesting.
Then can something like this be done (somehow) with other terrains - e.g. Beach ?..
Needs to be tested...

well there isn't a special movement for beach,(is it possible to create other terrain movements?) but it could be done with mountains for example I presume.

[This message has been edited by TruePurple (edited 05-09-2005 @ 09:16 PM).]