BB Fail, Sails?

Fixed.

So, where do we sign up?

Edit: Ah, rot will post the Calendar...

Question, however: Would 14 qualify as a large or mini?

[This message has been edited by James Hook (edited 05-04-2009 @ 09:41 PM).]

For those of you who've been playing mafia across all the heavens, fear not, as mafia games in normal community forums are not being shut down.

Awesome. Can't wait to get things started here.

I demand a spot high up on the list when it's posted.

Usually a mini is considered to have less then 15 people so 14 would be a mini.

Dibs on a spot.

Shotgun a mini in the absence of a calender for the moment.

Hope you guys will enjoy it- it promises to be a real melting pot

Now, just to outline something that might not be clear in the calendar itself, the way things are going to work is two at a time, per queue, so, as it stands, I'm going to make signups for Battlefield 2 Mafia (Sails and I agreed on this setup, since that way we both can edit stuff), and then EoJ can also post signups. Then, once BF2 signups are done, Blatant can post signups, and, once EoJ's is done, whoever else gets put on the mini queue can post signups.

Whoa! Seriously? Now all we need is PMing and we're straight!

Also, this is what I really am happy about. A community that wants a dedicated area as opposed to forum hopping which was incredibly annoying and that is why I didn't bother with mafias here lately and joined MafiaScum.

[This message has been edited by Kyle Santos (edited 05-06-2009 @ 05:18 AM).]

Well, before I start making new topics...

Are signup threads and mafia game threads only allowed or can we talk about anything that is strictly mafia related?

Feel free to make any thread related to mafia. It does not have to be an actual game if you wish to discuss strategy or theory or something along those lines.

So this isn't supposed to take over all the mafia games.

So sign-ups as well as games are supposed to be posted here in this forum?

Hm... Some theory work might be interesting.

So sign-ups as well as games are supposed to be posted here in this forum?

Yep, but feel free to host games anywhere else. Think of the forum as a supplement for the many junkies that crave more games with more activity.

Read: Games that don't take months to finish.

As stated earlier, it will also be a great place to see new styles of play, and different players.

Followed some guys signature here and this game looks pretty cool.

Unfortunately I'm completely lost on how its played...I followed the wiki link and it didn't help much.

The concept is pretty simple. There are two primary groups, an uninformed majority called the town and an informed minority called the mafia. The game is broken into two stages, night and day. During the night, the mafia kills someone. During the day, everyone votes to lynch someone (majority vote lynches). Because the town has majority over the mafia, the town controls the vote. However, each member of the town does not know who other members of the town are, while each member of the mafia knows who all other members of the mafia are. Thus, during the day, the mafia all pretend to be town and trick the town into lynching another town member, while the town overtly hunts for mafia. Once a person is lynched, it is night again.

To make the game a bit more interesting, there are two town members that have special abilities, that they use at night. One is the cop, who can investigate one person each night and learn whether they are town or mafia. The other is the doctor, who each night can choose to protect one person from killing (if the mafia and doctor choose the same person, the person doesn't die). These are called power roles (there are many many more, but in the simplest of games, there is just a cop and a doctor).

So, the game cycles through night and day until either the town or mafia is the only faction left standing. At night, night actions are sent to the host, and then during the day, players vote in the thread. The host declares deaths and reveals the identities of the dead.

Some simple rules: Mafia is a closed signups game, where players signup, and once a certain number is reached, the host gives out the roles, and then the game actually begins. Once players are in, new players cannot join except to replace players that no longer wish to play. Mafia is also a closed communication game. The mafia is allowed to communicate outside the game thread, but otherwise, it is frowned upon to communicate with players about the thread outside of the game (the reason here is because mafia members might try and trick players outside of the game, or townies might share info outside of the game). This also means that members that are not playing can't post inside of the thread. Players that have died in the game can no longer post or communicate with other players about the game. Players may not edit their posts and have to double post if they want to add something (the reason here is because the game is about reading someone's behavior, and if players can edit their posts at will, they can change what they said before, making it impossible to read them).

[This message has been edited by Rotaretilbo (edited 05-09-2009 @ 00:15 AM).]

Oh, that explains it pretty well thnx. So when is the next game so I can sign up?

Also, is there a game already being played (or better yet, a completed game) so I can see how it works?

There are three games currently going, though most have only just started. A fourth game should be going into signups very soon (we're just waiting on the host to post it), and you should get a spot there (host has hinted at up to 30 spots).

As for completed games...we haven't finished any yet, but I'm sure I could find one or two that you could look over.

[This message has been edited by Rotaretilbo (edited 05-09-2009 @ 01:34 AM).]

Take a look at 'any' and see how a serial killer scum hunts

Take a look at 'any' and see how a serial killer scum hunts

I took a look at 'any', I'm on the 6th page. Nothings happened so far but its an intresting read. Will keep me busy for a while.

I have some questions.

Do Mafia know who other Mafia are? As in the will never assasinate their own 'mate' when its night?

What are some examples of 'post restrictions'?

Do you get your 'Role' by mail? Does everyone get this including Mafia?

What's 'SK'?

The mafia are informed of each other, and are even allowed to communicate outside of the game thread.

A post restriction is simply a limitation on what or how you post. For example, a post restriction might entail you being unable to use vowels in your posts, or having to post over 100 words per post. They are usually there for flavor. In some cases, post restrictions are there for balance, though people usually try to weasel around them.

Here at HG, we don't have a PM system, so all players receive their role and any other relevant information via email.

SK is short for Serial Killer. A serial killer is a lone player who kills each night and wins when everyone else is dead.

Oh ok.

Thanks for the links btw, must have taken you a while to post all of them.

Ugh, having a Mafia overload. Just read through the Star Trek Voyager mafia after learning about it yesterday. All 28 pages of it, my head hurts now.

I liked the mafia though. Its a shame Shanks had to go so early.

Nah, I am actually abnormally well connected.

Star Trek Voyager Mafia was not a good mafia to start reading.

AoMH mafias are never good mafias to start reading. Thank God my first real game was in OD...

Although it didn't help much.

Why not

I do suggest (biased, of course, seeing as I learnt from there) the TWH mafias, especially the first few, for learning. They're fairly straightforward, and while they have 'themes', it is a general theme, eg, being set in Rome.

Quoted from James:

AoMH mafias are never good mafias to start reading.

Sure as hell are interesting though

How about Family Guy Mafia? That was the biggest circle jerk I've ever seen. And I had fun doing it!

Droideka, Santos's mafia is up, you should join it before it fill up.

Just to post a suggestion, do you think it'd be a good idea to move the Zombie Mafia in OD to here? Makes more sense to keep all the Mafia games together (plus I'm lazy )

As for completed games...we haven't finished any yet, but I'm sure I could find one or two that you could look over.

Eh, I think my LotR Mafia and Manifold: Contact Mafia are equally good reads.

A post restriction is simply a limitation on what or how you post. For example, a post restriction might entail you being unable to use vowels in your posts, or having to post over 100 words per post.

Or every post has to be in Italian and backwards.

In some cases, post restrictions are there for balance, though people usually try to weasel around them.

When I explained what I was doing to Ashrzr, he said "Interesting." It's his fault. If he didn't want that to happen, he should have stopped me. Obviously, he didn't.

Take a look at 'any' and see how a serial killer scum hunts

Which reminds me! Weapons/Tools Mafia was a perfect win for me. Day SK for the win!

When I explained what I was doing to Ashrzr, he said "Interesting." It's his fault. If he didn't want that to happen, he should have stopped me. Obviously, he didn't.

Arvy, you arrogant little shit, don't put this on me. You never accept blame for anything.

EDIT: In fact, I did stop you. There was nothing I could do to stop you originally without breaking any rules, so I waited for you to fail and then modkilled you.

[This message has been edited by Ashrzr (edited 05-10-2009 @ 07:31 PM).]

Arvy, you arrogant little shit

Oh, you're sooo nice.

EDIT: In fact, I did stop you. There was nothing I could do to stop you originally without breaking any rules, so I waited for you to fail and then modkilled you.

Or... you could have simply asked me not to do that before I told anyone in the thread I was going to and said that it would be revealing my results, especially since I specifically ASKED you how I can reveal my results. If you had done that, then, hey, everything would have been just fine.

Oh, you're sooo nice.

And vice versa.

Or... you could have simply asked me not to do that before I told anyone in the thread I was going to and said that it would be revealing my results, especially since I specifically ASKED you how I can reveal my results. If you had done that, then, hey, everything would have been just fine.

I DID tell you not to. I said plenty a time "I don't like where you're going with this" and "Please don't ruin this game" over and over again, yet you did it anyway. Looking at the convo now.

Arvy, you arrogant little shit, don't put this on me

I must say, I did lol.

I DID tell you not to. I said plenty a time "I don't like where you're going with this" and "Please don't ruin this game" over and over again, yet you did it anyway. Looking at the convo now.

You said, VERY clearly, I can make decisions based on my results. I asked you, does that mean voting for someone is allowed? You said, yes. Earlier, you had said that I am allowed to say someone is scummy if I find they are lying. These are exactly what I did.

When it comes to that last post, that was, of course, my idiocy. I accidentally posted my notes from my detects along with the rest of my post. Those should have, of course, been deleted before I clicked the submit button. But don't you DARE say that I was not allowed to vote someone or say they're scummy based on my results. Don't you DARE say that I was not allowed to reveal I was a lie detector, especially since I asked you if I could immediately after I got my role email.

Of course, even worse was the reason you modkilled me. Quoted from our convo that day:

(5:06 PM) Ashrzr: Edit the other parts too
Now
(5:06 PM) Ashrzr: Or you're dead

What does this mean, of course? That if I don't edit them out, I die. You specifically told me to edit them, or I will die.

So, what did I do? I edited my post, of course. And then what did YOU do? You modkilled me. What are the reasons you cited for modkilling me? Well, according to the convo we just had two minutes ago, for revealing information and editing my post. After you told me you were modkilling me, in that convo, I said:

(5:19 PM) Le Comte d'Arvedui: That's fine.
I played horribly anyway.

I was not mad about that. But modkilling me for editing my post when you TOLD me to? If someone reveals confidential info in one of my mafias and I ask them to edit it out immediately, I can still modkill them after they edit it out. However, I'm modkilling them for posting that info. I'm NOT modkilling them because they edited the post, especially since they edited the post on my orders. I mean, if I ask someone to edit their post and they do so and I modkill them, couldn't I take a player whom I don't like, ask them to edit their post, and then modkill them for fun? Of course, I'd never do that. You, I'm not sure, but I hope not.

The funniest part of all this, though, is that you said in the convo right before I decided to sign out that you want a one month probation for me on all of Rot's calendars until such time as I admit it was my fault I got modkilled and apologize. Evidently, I have admitted it was my fault numerous times, including that original convo and the convo we just had. As for apologizing? Quoted from our original convo:

(5:18 PM) Le Comte d'Arvedui: Thanks, Ashie.
And sorry
Now
(hug)

Of course, you ignored that altogether.

And besides, in my opinion, the first problem was even adding that role in a mafia in the first place. A day lie detector that can reveal himself and can make 10 lie detects and space them out however he wants, i.e. 10 in 1 day or one a day? And the only restriction is that I can't specifically say someone is lying? How is that NOT OP?

Not gonna continue this Arvy, this isn't the place. We already settled it on MSN when you blocked me and I assume you gave up. Bottom line: I modkilled you for breaking the rules, simple as that, and now you're trying to blame it on me. I can't control your actions, I can't use powers and control your mind to post your results, you did it on your own, and now you're trying to blame me. No. Just no.

Not gonna continue this Arvy, this isn't the place.

Actually, you were the one who started it by calling me an arrogant piece of shit. I was replying to Rot's jab at me, and then you replied by calling me an arrogant piece of shit.

Best part is that you seem to think I'm being immature and deserve a probation for this.

We already settled it on MSN when you blocked me and I assume you gave up.

I didn't block you, I signed out because I was angry and didn't want to do something I'd regret later.

Bottom line: I modkilled you for breaking the rules, simple as that, and now you're trying to blame it on me.

No. I was perfectly fine with the modkill and I knew I deserved it for not deleting my notes before posting. However, I am blaming you in that you allowed me to do what I did, you never told me to stop even though you could have, and yet you are saying that I was not allowed to do what I did and broke the rules in that way.

I can't control your actions, I can't use powers and control your mind to post your results, you did it on your own, and now you're trying to blame me. No. Just no.

I never blamed you for me posting my results accidentally. I am angry at you for never telling me that I couldn't do what I was doing, only to "take it down a notch", and then saying I broke the rules and abused my role. I mean, my first hint was so subtle, no one caught on for three pages. Do you really think that's me blatantly revealing my results or being in the confines of my role, which were that I can reveal myself but not reveal my results directly?

I didn't block you, I signed out because I was angry and didn't want to do something I'd regret later.

...like killed him?

'Arvy' is scaring me now

...like killed him?

'Arvy' is scaring me now

No, not like that! I just didn't want to lose his friendship, which I think is already lost now.

...I'm still here.

...*Looks around*.

...lol.

I just didn't want to lose his friendship, which I think is already lost now.

It's certainly getting there.

Hey, both of you! Don't make me get out a newspaper and hit you both on the nose with a newspaper. Its really quite simple what happened: Arvy broke a restriction he even told the whole game about having and then got modkilled for it. He did something he shouldn't have, got the adequate punishment and now everybody can move on? Pretty please, so I don't have to find newspaper and go through the trouble of hunting you guys down to smack you over the head?

*I'd just like to point out that I broke the restriction on accident and deserved the modkill, but everything before that was still completely legal, especially since I had run it by Ashrzr before I posted in the thread*

*scuttles off*

It was a simple loop hole. Ashrzr made a mistake in allowing you to state that you were a lie detector, and Arvy made a mistake in trying to quickly end the game and kill the fun in what he knew was sketchy, at best. Now, can we put this behind us?

Oh, and Nomadic, if you want, you can move your Zombie Mafia over to here. But make sure to link me to two games you participated in, since I'm not as familiar with you as with some of the others.

[This message has been edited by Rotaretilbo (edited 05-11-2009 @ 01:51 AM).]