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Julius999
Imposter

posted 06-15-09 04:08 PM CT (US)

Bartimaeus Mafia

The British Empire stretches from America to Prague, and the wealth of the world flows back to London. Yet threats are emerging on all sides, the Czechs, Americans and Magyars all wish to tear down the British hegemony. Even more worryingly, there are rumblings within London itself, that the commoners are ready to overthrow their magician rulers.

I suggest you read the Notes below, for information relevant to this game and my style of hosting. The rules are fairly standard, and I believe you have all played mafia before. If you are in any doubt about whether you may be in breach of the rules, send me an email before you post. I hope you all enjoy the game!

Notes:
1. The email I am using for this game is bartimaeusmafia@yahoo.co.uk.
2. Writeups contain no clues about anything, including the one at the top of this post. They are purely favour. Only the bold text at the end is meaningful.
3. Read your role PM carefully. The win condition is exactly what you need to do to win. Don’t be fooled by conventions you have seen elsewhere.
4. There are no hidden conditions. Between them, the players know all game mechanics and roles, or have had them indicated indirectly.
5. The mod does not lie. However he does sometimes word things very carefully.
6. The order in which night actions are received has no effect (unless it specifically says so in your role PM). If there is a cult in this game for example, and a Sane Cop investigates someone who is recruited that night, their result will not depend on whether the investigation choice was sent in before or after the recruitment choice.
7. The only things I ever do randomly, are assigning roles and, rarely, picking targets for a vital role played by an inactive.
8. Be aware that I have invented new characters, omitted existing ones, given characters improbable roles and given the scum safe claims.
9. Vote counts are by request, and also whenever I feel like it.
10. Once the lynch threshold has been met, unvoting has no effect. On a related note, please indicate clearly when you vote. I prefer the formatting: Vote: Julius and Unvote: Julius.
11. Votes cast when you already have a vote standing will not be counted. Unvote first before you vote for another player.
12. It is possible that I will mess up. If you think this is so, email me, and I will tell you whether or not I have made a mistake. If I have, I will post a correction publicly in this thread.
13. If you have any questions, please email me.

The Rules:
1. Follow the CoC. This should go without saying.
2. Do not directly quote my emails. Paraphrase.
3. Absolutely no talking after you are dead (while the game is on-going). A “Bah!” post is allowed, but nothing else. To help the dead people out, the rest of you shouldn’t address any comments to them.
4. This game is closed communication. Do not discuss the game outside the game thread, unless your role email specifically allows you to do so.
5. Be nice, it’s only a game.
6. Any other standard mafia rules. You all know them.

Alive:
NomadicNoodle - Demons - Queezle - Iron Jack of All Trades
theferret - Survivor - Verroq - Mercenary
Ashrzr - Demons - Jabor - Iron Jack of All Trades
Azur - Conspirators - Simon Lovelace - Mafia Investigator, Summoner
Dead:
Pit_King - Magicians - Jessica Whitwell - Jailer, Summoner
Hot Sax - Magicians - Benjamin Farrell - Deputy Jailer, Summoner
Shanks13 - Conspirators - Clem Hopkins - Summoner, Investigation Immune
Crusading Knight - Demons - Bartimaeus - Iron Jack of All Trades
ABU - Conspirators - Quentin Makepeace - Letter Writer, Investigation Immune
GoSailing - Magicians - Nathaniel - DNA Cop, Summoner
Henrz - Resistance - Martin - One shot kill
Maegereg - Magicians - Jason Carrow - Lyncher, Summoner
Sir Wulf - Resistance - Mr Pennyfeather - Investigation Immune
Droideka - Magicians - Rupert Deveraeux - Noble, Roleblocker
Byronic Hero - Magicians - Sholto Pinn - Item Provider
Blatant - Magicians - Harold Swyres - Lyncher, Summoner
dsmi1 - Commoners - Jacob Hyrneck - Roleblocker, Miller
Gruesy - Magicians - Julius Tallow - Flavour Cop, Deputy Deputy Jailer, Summoner
Heir of Elessar - Magicians - Henry Duvall - Stone, Miller, Summoner
Catabre/Shrink - Magicians - Jane Farrar - Paranoid Cop, 1 shot Vigilante, Summoner
EoJ/Maegereg - Conspirators - Rufus Lime - Roleblocker
Jax/GoSailing - Resistance - Kitty - Tracker
Kyle Santos/dsmi1 - Magicians - Clive Jenkins - Stone, Usurper
Beelzebub - Magicians - Harlequin - Tracker or Watcher

Time: End of Game

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Julius999
Imposter

posted 06-15-09 04:09 PM CT (US) 1 / 1038

I am literally about to start sending role emails. Expect them within the next hour.

It is now Day 1
With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch
Please confirm in the other thread

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Catabre
BFME2H Replay Reviewer - Library Guildsman

posted 06-15-09 05:00 PM CT (US) 2 / 1038

Random Vote: Ashrzr

"Apparently, arguing for the right to do something no-one wants to do is the lifeblood of HG." - TaylorFlame

"Whatever happened, BFME2H did it better. No Exceptions." - EnemyofJupitor

NomadicNoodle
Mere Mortal

posted 06-15-09 05:04 PM CT (US) 3 / 1038

Sounds like a good place to start.

Vote: Ashrzr

PLA

Ashrzr
Battle of the Forums EEH winning team
(id: normandy887)

posted 06-15-09 05:11 PM CT (US) 4 / 1038

It does? Damn it, I hate day starts.

EE forever

Byronic Hero
Banned

posted 06-15-09 05:13 PM CT (US) 5 / 1038

Oh day starts.

Vote: that guy that name starts with an a that those first two people voted for.

Ashrzr
Battle of the Forums EEH winning team
(id: normandy887)

posted 06-15-09 05:21 PM CT (US) 6 / 1038

So what are you guys trying to achieve? A roleclaim? I don't mind doing so but I don't think Julius would appreciate us players using claims to advance the game. Hardly a creative approach. I'm not trying to cast suspicion off myself when I do this, but casting several votes around works. It did in La Noche Triste Mafia.

Vote: Droideka

EE forever

Julius999
Imposter

posted 06-15-09 05:26 PM CT (US) 7 / 1038

Allow me to draw your attention to point 8. of the Notes section. I forgot it originally and just edited it in. Just so you're aware.

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Byronic Hero
Banned

posted 06-15-09 05:29 PM CT (US) 8 / 1038

So what are you guys trying to achieve? A roleclaim? I don't mind doing so but I don't think Julius would appreciate us players using claims to advance the game. Hardly a creative approach. I'm not trying to cast suspicion off myself when I do this, but casting several votes around works. It did in La Noche Triste Mafia.

Oh yeah, on day starts we should just randomly kill people with out claim. My bad, I forgot.

Hot Sax
Mere Mortal
(id: OmegasRage)

posted 06-15-09 05:31 PM CT (US) 9 / 1038

Well, tbh, all I ever see on these forums is mass roleclaims to try to figure out who the scum is. By these forums, I guess I should clarify that by saying in AoMH.

Seeing that scum have safeclaims, it's almost pointless to go into the game like this. But Ashrzr responded poorly under pressure in my opinion. Except the only real problem with saying that is he wouldn't be that worried about roleclaiming if the scum have safeclaims

.

Vote: Droideka

I was also astounded.

Byronic Hero
Banned

posted 06-15-09 05:31 PM CT (US) 10 / 1038

Allow me to draw your attention to point 8. of the Notes section. I forgot it originally and just edited it in. Just so you're aware.

This is super shitty, and gives the town a giant disadvantage unless they have some kickass power roles.

Hot Sax
Mere Mortal
(id: OmegasRage)

posted 06-15-09 05:34 PM CT (US) 11 / 1038

What huge disadvantage? If you can't figure out who's scum by analyzing a player's behavior, then you probably shouldn't be playing, that's the point.

I was also astounded.

Ashrzr
Battle of the Forums EEH winning team
(id: normandy887)

posted 06-15-09 05:34 PM CT (US) 12 / 1038

Well, tbh, all I ever see on these forums is mass roleclaims to try to figure out who the scum is.

Exactly. And with Julius' new rule that defeats the purpose of mass claims.

But Ashrzr responded poorly under pressure in my opinion.

If you think I responded poorly, you haven't seen anything. Most people would either be inactive or blow up. I handled it as calmly as I could, discussed my problems with pressuring me just for a claim, and that was that.

EE forever

Julius999
Imposter

posted 06-15-09 05:34 PM CT (US) 13 / 1038

This is super shitty, and gives the town a giant disadvantage unless they have some kickass power roles.

Actually it causes the town to have to actually think rather than recite characters.

Vote Count
Ashrzr: 3 (Catabre, NomadicNoodle, Byronic Hero)
Droideka: 2 (Ashrzr, Hot Sax)

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Ashrzr
Battle of the Forums EEH winning team
(id: normandy887)

posted 06-15-09 05:36 PM CT (US) 14 / 1038

Actually it causes the town to have to actually think rather than recite characters

Don't overestimate the Town in mafia games. I tried to make them think in Memento and it didn't work out.

It does bring the Town a slight disadvantage, by making up roles, omitting some that are probably important, giving scum safe claims, and giving Town improbable ones. Every single one of those points hurt the Town, but at least they prevent mass claims and like you said Julius, hopefully provoke though.

EE forever

Hot Sax
Mere Mortal
(id: OmegasRage)

posted 06-15-09 05:42 PM CT (US) 15 / 1038

I'm kind of used to people acting terribly under pressure too. It's just your initial response. I don't understand how telling me how well you defended yourself is pro-town either. Also, keeping in mind that you weren't really under all that much pressure.

I was also astounded.

Zombie Gaddafi
Eater of no hats
(id: NeverPlayedHalo3)

posted 06-15-09 05:42 PM CT (US) 16 / 1038

Most people would either be inactive or blow up

*Cough*

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Catabre
BFME2H Replay Reviewer - Library Guildsman

posted 06-15-09 05:52 PM CT (US) 17 / 1038

I tried to make them think in Memento and it didn't work out.

I tried to make the town think in my Mayhem Mafia, and IMO it worked better than Memento.

It was a lot more behavior analyzed playing.

"Apparently, arguing for the right to do something no-one wants to do is the lifeblood of HG." - TaylorFlame

"Whatever happened, BFME2H did it better. No Exceptions." - EnemyofJupitor

Ashrzr
Battle of the Forums EEH winning team
(id: normandy887)

posted 06-15-09 05:53 PM CT (US) 18 / 1038

Yeah, behavior in Memento doesn't exactly work out so well since the scum were initially playing pro-town.

EE forever

Byronic Hero
Banned

posted 06-15-09 05:53 PM CT (US) 19 / 1038

What huge disadvantage? If you can't figure out who's scum by analyzing a player's behavior, then you probably shouldn't be playing, that's the point.

Uh, no, to an extent any player's behavior can be analyzed to meet the 'criteria' for scum, and town roles. Claims can be analyzed, and are a very large factor in lynching someone, you must know this, but for some reason you think the town can get by without it. Spitfire hosted a game a while back that proved the importance of being able to claim in my eyes. Giving the town improbable roles is understandable, but giving the scum safe claims increases the difficulty for the town by a shit ton.

Ashrzr
Battle of the Forums EEH winning team
(id: normandy887)

posted 06-15-09 05:54 PM CT (US) 20 / 1038

I don't understand how telling me how well you defended yourself is pro-town either.

I wasn't trying to be pro-town or non-scum, I was just responding to what you said.

EE forever

Catabre
BFME2H Replay Reviewer - Library Guildsman

posted 06-15-09 05:58 PM CT (US) 21 / 1038

but giving the scum safe claims increases the difficulty for the town by a shit ton.

Not really, the scum can still play well even with out safe claims. If you want a good example check out Zombie Mafia in OD. It all just depends on how they watch their behavior.

"Apparently, arguing for the right to do something no-one wants to do is the lifeblood of HG." - TaylorFlame

"Whatever happened, BFME2H did it better. No Exceptions." - EnemyofJupitor

Gruesy
Commissar
(id: Lord Grue)

posted 06-15-09 06:24 PM CT (US) 22 / 1038

In keeping with standard daystart procedure, random.org gave me 21 on a random number roll. #21 on the player list is Byronic Hero.

Besides, he referred to the town in post 10 as "they." Such a pronoun implies nontown alignment.

But mostly, it's random.org. Blame them for this vote. Them and their random code.

Vote: Byronic Hero

Now I will destroy the whole world...

Gruesy
Commissar
(id: Lord Grue)

posted 06-15-09 06:27 PM CT (US) 23 / 1038

Mind you, I agree with him: safe claims for scum suck for the town. Scum should be credited with enough brains to think up claims themselves, especially considering Jules has eliminated and added characters from the book.

Now I will destroy the whole world...

Droideka_11
Mere Mortal

posted 06-15-09 06:53 PM CT (US) 24 / 1038

Vote: Ash

Retaliation for voting for me

"Rot's given a free pass simply because he's Rot." - theferret

Jax
HG Monument
(id: Jax Omen)

posted 06-15-09 07:03 PM CT (US) 25 / 1038

On the subject of safe claims - who cares? I've had safe claims in a Julius game before, and they where just names. It effectively makes the mafia as well of as if the game wasn't themed in any way - they have to make role claims believable beyond just "i am this character" and hope no-one else is this person.

Although that has nothing to do with the game and I'm just here to confirm my role being recieved. ar to drunk to do otherwise.

house won this

Henrz
Impish Cherub

posted 06-15-09 07:33 PM CT (US) 26 / 1038

Vote: Droid Because he voted before me... Anyways Gruesy, I don't think you should use Random.Org for who to first vote for it just takes the point away really. At least you didn't vote yourself like another guy... But that's a different game, and a different site...

As said before me, even though the Scum have safe claims it doesn't matter very much as we shouldn't be relying on claims, nor should we disown them either because they still have to make up abilities and such which; if extremely abnormal or do not make any sense towards the character or their playing style. For example if someone was informed of a townie, they would try to protect them as much as they could during the game without being noticed unless someone was looking for stuff like that, but if they attacked them and tried to get them lynched, it could be Scum being desperate.

Welcome, to my domain.

My Email is: Henrz.me@hotmail.com

kthx.

theferret
A girl dammit!

posted 06-15-09 07:45 PM CT (US) 27 / 1038

Seeing that scum have safeclaims, it's almost pointless to go into the game like this. But Ashrzr responded poorly under pressure in my opinion. Except the only real problem with saying that is he wouldn't be that worried about roleclaiming if the scum have safeclaims .

Not necessarily. Getting out role claims is still very effective; it allows us to analyze claimed roles vs known roles; claimed abilities vs proved abilities; claimed allegiance vs voting history, etc, etc. Even in games when every role is known role claiming is a very useful town tool.

Is it reasonable to assume that there are no vanilla townies this game? Julius giving scum safe claims seems to support this; vanilla townie is usually the default safe claim.

any thoughts as to the game setup?

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Droideka_11
Mere Mortal

posted 06-15-09 07:49 PM CT (US) 28 / 1038

Vote: Droid Because he voted before me

I thought we was friends

"Rot's given a free pass simply because he's Rot." - theferret

Ashrzr
Battle of the Forums EEH winning team
(id: normandy887)

posted 06-15-09 07:56 PM CT (US) 29 / 1038

Julius likes vanilla townies so there probably are some.

EE forever

Azur
Devil's Advocate
(id: Azur_Fire)

posted 06-15-09 08:08 PM CT (US) 30 / 1038

Those will probably still be characters from the books, as there were lots

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theferret
A girl dammit!

posted 06-15-09 08:11 PM CT (US) 31 / 1038

Has anyone read the books? Can anyone tell me about them?

Gruesy
Commissar
(id: Lord Grue)

posted 06-15-09 08:14 PM CT (US) 32 / 1038

Linki toi wiki

Now I will destroy the whole world...

Crusading Knight
Mere Mortal

posted 06-15-09 09:55 PM CT (US) 33 / 1038

There are quite a few. I suppose that is only good for the Mafia.

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I've served my time in Hell.

Shanks13
Rogue Agent

posted 06-15-09 10:04 PM CT (US) 34 / 1038

Vote: that guy that name starts with an a that those first two people voted for.

Possible restriction of some sort? It seems rather pointless if it's not.

Seeing that scum have safeclaims, it's almost pointless to go into the game like this

The pressure can reveal those who are nervous about claiming, and I would imagine that not all possible claims provided to the scum are necessarily viable. It's one thing to pop off a name, it's another thing to know enough about someone to pick them and assign an appropriate role that doesn't make the balance looked skewed.

Jax
HG Monument
(id: Jax Omen)

posted 06-16-09 01:06 AM CT (US) 35 / 1038

Possible restriction of some sort? It seems rather pointless if it's not.

Reads to me that it's just Dio. Probably fairly useless speculation though since we'd find out it was a restriction soon enough.

house won this

GoSailing
EEH Seraph

posted 06-16-09 02:24 AM CT (US) 36 / 1038

Quoted from Ashzrz:
So what are you guys trying to achieve? A roleclaim? I don't mind doing so but I don't think Julius would appreciate us players using claims to advance the game. Hardly a creative approach. I'm not trying to cast suspicion off myself when I do this, but casting several votes around works. It did in La Noche Triste Mafia.

I see a few problems with this:

1) Julius isn't against role claims and you know this. He's against a gross amount of theme speculation.
2) Who cares what Julius wants?
3) It does not need to be creative, just effective.
4) Casting several votes around how they are now has like 5 people with no real pressure to do anything at all and just stupidity.
5) Don't say anything worked in La Noche Triste when all you did was bitch and moan day 1.

Vote: Ashzrz

This is not a random vote, its for the stupidity of the statement that I quoted.

"It seems to me the humour of Sails is so dry you could strike a match on it and it would be the humour that caught fire." - Friend of Old

Ashrzr
Battle of the Forums EEH winning team
(id: normandy887)

posted 06-16-09 02:39 AM CT (US) 37 / 1038

Julius isn't against role claims and you know this. He's against a gross amount of theme speculation.

Actually, he is against mass claims for the most part. Read what he's said in this thread, look through Memento, or any other mafia he's played in for that matter. So it looks like you need to check up on that. I'm not saying Julius is against claims, but if he were playing in this game he would definitely look for a more fruitful way to get things going than randomly voting someone to get a claim.

Who cares what Julius wants?

Julius is a good model to go for when playing on Day 1. Sorry if I want to go against the norm that HG has.

It does not need to be creative, just effective.

Evidently, based on the rule Julius highlighted earlier, it's not going to be very effective.

Casting several votes around how they are now has like 5 people with no real pressure to do anything at all and just stupidity.

Mind actually looking up what your countering before you go around insulting me? Look no further than Day 1 on La Noche Triste Mafia.

Don't say anything worked in La Noche Triste when all you did was bitch and moan day 1.

Bitch and moan quite like you're doing right now. And that's not all I did. If you want to take a look (you probably won't if you haven't already) the debate between Droideka and Crue would've never taken place if I didn't do the strategy you claim is so ineffective, and Droideka's scummy claim would've never come out.

Very mature Sails, you vote for me because you claim the quote was stupid and a lot of what you said is wrong, anyway.

EE forever

Ashrzr
Battle of the Forums EEH winning team
(id: normandy887)

posted 06-16-09 02:41 AM CT (US) 38 / 1038

And say I overreacted to your post all you want Sails, though I hardly did, but responding to quotes I believe are stupid is something you should be able to relate to.

EE forever

Shanks13
Rogue Agent

posted 06-16-09 03:16 AM CT (US) 39 / 1038

And say I overreacted to your post all you want Sails, though I hardly did, but responding to quotes I believe are stupid is something you should be able to relate to.

But you're just being difficult now. People wanted you to claim and you backed away. The harder you're pursued, the harder it seems you try to backpeddle.

Kyle Santos
Centurion

posted 06-16-09 03:32 AM CT (US) 40 / 1038

Its nice to see Dio back on the forums. [/serious]

zombie

Julius999
Imposter

posted 06-16-09 04:11 AM CT (US) 41 / 1038

Vote Count
Ashrzr: 6 (Catabre, NomadicNoodle, Byronic Hero, Droideka, GoSailing)
Droideka: 3 (Ashrzr, Hot Sax, Henrz)
Bryonic Hero: 1 (Gruesy)

13 to lynch

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Droideka_11
Mere Mortal

posted 06-16-09 04:22 AM CT (US) 42 / 1038

Ash, you seems to be very defensive against claiming. I would RC before you dig yourself deeper.

Bitch and moan quite like you're doing right now. And that's not all I did. If you want to take a look (you probably won't if you haven't already) the debate between Droideka and Crue would've never taken place if I didn't do the strategy you claim is so ineffective, and Droideka's scummy claim would've never come out.

And yet neither you nor sails have said anything towards each other in that Mafia. Is that because you're scum buddies?

"Rot's given a free pass simply because he's Rot." - theferret

EnemyofJupitor
HG Alumnus Superbus

posted 06-16-09 10:55 AM CT (US) 43 / 1038

First post 42 in, and already Ash is digging himself a hole. Shan't vote, as I think we've got just about enough, but I'm going to join in with the RC lot. You're behaving very strangely.
Also, can we keep down the angry-ness? Makes it hard to interpret posts correctly if you're being stung by someone, and certainly doesn't help the angry person- I remember Arvy was (correctly) lynched in the Two Towers mafia partly because he got quite angry with everyone for not believing his role claim. Not to mention his rc was made up

And I shall go Softly into the Night Taking my Dreams As will You

theferret
A girl dammit!

posted 06-16-09 11:13 AM CT (US) 44 / 1038

I was coming in all ready to defend Ash because there's really no reason for the votes on him, except now I kinda agree with EoJ. Why not just claim? Yeah, you'ld have to claim for stupid reasons (seriously, just following the first vote? really people?); but if that's what the town wants the town gets.

I was even willing to write off your first post as simple frustration and unwillingness to play their game; which I'd buy also.

And Ash is right - usually it is a good idea to go looking for a more fruitful way to vote than randomly picking someone. It's not that hard to spend a few pages discussion game setup before throwing a vote around.

All that said, his reaction to GS's is unwarranted even if I don't agree with what GS said. And that reaction is enough for us to get a RC out of him.

So, yeah, Ash. Make your claim, and lets see what comes from it.

GoSailing
EEH Seraph

posted 06-16-09 11:58 AM CT (US) 45 / 1038

Actually, he is against mass claims for the most part.

One claim is not a mass claim.

Sorry if I want to go against the norm that HG has.

Once again, one claim is not a mass claim.

Evidently, based on the rule Julius highlighted earlier, it's not going to be very effective.

I believe Ferret posted something about it earlier, but claims aren't useless because scum have been given safe claims. You can still check for inconsistencies in play style based on the alleged role, attempt to test the role and allow us to judge it in relation to other roles.

Mind actually looking up what your countering before you go around insulting me? Look no further than Day 1 on La Noche Triste Mafia.

This is not what happened Day 1 on La Noche Trista. What happened there was the town actually brought up somebody's scuminess (or somebody offered to claim because they thought it was relevant, such as Noodle) and they claimed and then they moved on. People actually had pressure (unless they offered to claim like Noodle, but then pressure is hardly necessary). The simple fact you weaseled your way out of claiming so easily shows how little pressure anybody actually has.

Bitch and moan quite like you're doing right now.

Actually, this is a targeted debate.

And say I overreacted to your post all you want Sails, though I hardly did, but responding to quotes I believe are stupid is something you should be able to relate to.

Indeed I do relate to this, though I'd check to make sure how stupid they are before in fact responding to them.

"It seems to me the humour of Sails is so dry you could strike a match on it and it would be the humour that caught fire." - Friend of Old

Sir Wulf
Snoogles

posted 06-16-09 12:38 PM CT (US) 46 / 1038

OK, lets not get too carried away here with reaming on Ash. Though I dso disagree with him on several points. Notably that I think people should make claims. Although the scum has apparently been given safe claims, i exceedingly doubt this is anything beyond the name of a character to claim as. So whilst i am not advocating a mass claim, i do think that by getting claims off folk, we should be able to winkle out scum as they will have to claim abilities, and therefore we can see what looks suspicious.

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Pit_King
Mere Mortal

posted 06-16-09 01:26 PM CT (US) 47 / 1038

There are quite a few. I suppose that is only good for the Mafia.

Have you not noticed that scum are given safe claims?

Possible restriction of some sort? It seems rather pointless if it's not.

Doubt it, Julius loathes restrictions, so he would be the last one to be giving them out.

As for Ash, I don't really see anything against him. He seems to be defending himself and it's hard not to look so defensive when you're on the defense. It looks like the town has tunnel vision - they want Ash to claim for random reasons and if he doesn't claim, then that's suspicious and he's stalling so they want him to claim some more. It's very probable that he could have a power role reluctant to claim on Day 1 with no information.

Life's a bitch because if it was a slut, it'd be too easy.

Julius999
Imposter

posted 06-16-09 01:28 PM CT (US) 48 / 1038

With only one person left to confirm, lynches can now go ahead.

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Ashrzr
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posted 06-16-09 01:35 PM CT (US) 49 / 1038

Not even going to bother reading Sails' post. The reason I got so mad at Sails' post is it wasn't the first time, and I always feels like he responds in a hugely negative manner just to argue with me (and others), because he generally isn't right. Nothing against you personally, Sails, you're a great mod and can be a good guy.

With that said, I didn't realize I was at six votes, I only thought I had 4 for some reason, that's why I didn't claim.

My role's actually kind of complicated, my character name is Jabor, I'm a Jack of All Trades. I have killing, roleblocking, and protective powers, all unlimited, and each of these drain my "essence" at different levels. (if my essence drops to 0 I die). The catch is, I receive orders from separate people each night telling which one to use, and I have to choose among them, and make calculated decisions on how to appease them and not drain my essence to 0 at the same time.

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posted 06-16-09 01:40 PM CT (US) 50 / 1038

Not even going to bother reading Sails' post.

Emr sorry? Sounds more like you are unable to dipute the points he made but don't want to admit it.

With that said, I didn't realize I was at six votes, I only thought I had 4 for some reason, that's why I didn't claim.

I thought that you were refusing to roleclaiim because you hated mass roleclaiming and Julius wouldn't like it, but then when Sails picked you up on this it's a completley different reason, that you wern't paying full attention?

My role's actually kind of complicated, my character name is Jabor, I'm a Jack of All Trades. I have killing, roleblocking, and protective powers, all unlimited, and each of these drain my "essence" at different levels. (if my essence drops to 0 I die). The catch is, I receive orders from separate people each night telling which one to use, and I have to choose among them, and make calculated decisions on how to appease them and not drain my essence to 0 at the same time.

Anybody with knowledge of the books say how likely this is?

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