Confirmatoire

Waiting on newt and mozzy. Herr has acknowledged but is too lazy to post.

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Got it.

Confirmé

Night 0

The sun fell as the tumultuous day ceased to be. Frightened eyes peered cautiously before each corner. Only a few, brave souls even dared to leave their quarters for the night. What would they find? A terrifying aura seemed to cloud the castle; even the moon seemed to shy away from this night. It was not to be an easy week.

Send in your night actions now

I have sent out a night prod. It should be BCC but yahoo mail is kind of shitty now and it seems to imply otherwise. If it is not BCC, please do not Reply All by mistake. I'd appreciate getting the actions rather soon.

Confirmed!

Deadline for actions will be Monday night

All actions (or declinations of such) have been received. Day will start soon. I consider this to be a good start. For discussion and balance.

Night 0

The night began with the ventures of few. Gambles were made to alter the inner workings of the castle to each's own benefit.

Clouds of darkness seemed to permeate where they should not, and there were some who ended up in regions they had not seen before. Newt and Julius were two at the lower end of the night in those regards, but in others, were bathed in the brightest lights. In the darkest depths, a man struck at another with a long thin blade, but was blocked by a heavier mass. Three struggled; all fled. In brief time, another was attacked with a short, thin, and jagged blade, but was blocked in similar fashion. How curious: how things repeat themselves. Actor's repetitions, it seemed, in naught but a different form. A true transcendence of intentions, but of whose origination? T'was not for men to know just yet.

Two kill attempts occurred in the night. Kill attempts on Julius and Newt have failed

It is now Day 1, with 12 alive, it is seven to lynch

I will get to work on sending out night action emails. Give me a little time.

Please let me know if I have forgotten to fulfill any hosting obligations...

Well... two failed kills is special.

I am not a survivor or miller.

I am not a survivor or miller either.

Random voting stage or does anybody have anything on anybody else?

Calculator says: 0,554, which, multiplied by 12, makes 6,648. Vote: Chud

I do not return guilty results to sane investigations.

I disagree with the principle of random voting. Either the votes are meaningless or they are not. If they are meaningless they achieve nothing. If they are not then they hand an advantage to the mafia, who are the only ones who know enough to be able to use their supposedly random votes as part of a strategy.

Let's vote for someone who is relatively likely to make a bad claim as scum.

Or we could vote for someone whose views about how mafia is played tend to work to the detriment of the town. Does anyone want to make it easy and say that they believe lying as town is okay?

If anyone has an incriminating result, wait until the incriminated person has posted saying whether or not they return a guilty result. If they say yes and you're a Cop with a guilty you get to remain secret while your result is still effectively known. If they say no and you're a Cop with a guilty, you've (almost certainly) caught scum. If they say no and you have some other incriminating result then you can announce that you have something incriminating on them.

Not a survivor or miller.

Uhm, ok, I'll go with what Julius said.

Unvote
Vote: Chud

This time because you're the only one whom I don't know, so it's totally possible that you could be one who screws claims up as scum

Julius is unlikely to botch his claim. I don't show up guilty to sane investigations either.

You can put me down as a replacement. At the moment I plan to follow along with the game.

Not a miller or survivor as far as I know.

I agree with the pressure on Taichud. Don't think I need to vote just yet.

I am not a survivor nor a miller.

Yeah. Caveat that anybody could be an unknowing miller applies.

Am town, normal, blah blah.

Quoted from Main post:

No roles are uninformed.

Claim from Chud sounds good.

Anybody think the set up could be two SKs? The SKs being the two Assassin's?

I am not a survivor nor miller.

I don't think Mole would make it that obvious what the setup is. Also, 2 separated scum against 10 townies is quite UP.

To be fair, SKs in general are under-powered but they are standard fare. (Achievement Unlocked: use 'fair' and 'fare' in the same sentence.)

My guess is that they show up innocent to investigations in order to facilitate the whole theme of not knowing who the assassins are, and it also gives them a boost in terms of balance.

Not a survivor, nor a miller, and quite happy to be alive thank you very much.

Quoted from Maeg:

Julius is unlikely to botch his claim.

True, though Arkham wasn't exactly his finest hour.

I don't return as a guilty either.

My guess is that they show up innocent to investigations in order to facilitate the whole theme of not knowing who the assassins are, and it also gives them a boost in terms of balance.

It could be, but Mole definitely told us that we wouldn't be able to puzzle out the setup from flavor or anything else, so I don't really see the point of speculating.

I'm a watcher. In Night 0 I targeted Popey. Apparently I did not succeed in performing my action.

Meh, fine by me, unless somebody also wants a name and flavour claim.

Quoted from Newt:

True, though Arkham wasn't exactly his finest hour.

Well bury my heat at wounded pride. I still don't see how I could have done anything better in those circumstances with the information available to me at the time. The Survivor claim was basically forced on me and the choice of role fitted acceptably with the flavour and was reasonably plausible without being too easy to disprove. It's easy to criticise when there's a guilty result and a counterclaim.

Quoted from Maegereg:

It could be, but Mole definitely told us that we wouldn't be able to puzzle out the setup from flavor or anything else, so I don't really see the point of speculating.

Yes, he did, although the way he chose to write the flavour text for last Night makes me think this might not be quite as true as he said. That or he's chosen to be actively misleading, which I don't think he likes. In any event, even if we knew for certain that we had two SKs I can't see how it would change how we should play during this Day.


Votes seem to have accumulated on Chud with no opposition. That's okay, although a little uninteresting. The way we're going he'll claim and unless it's a seriously weak claim we'll move on. We could end up repeating that process several times or even until everyone has claimed, but I'm not sure it would be a good plan.

For that reason I propose we agree on a general approach in order to prevent drift. I think we should agree on a number of claims that is the maximum we will get today without someone building an actual case against someone else. I suggest three, but I'm open to counter-suggestions. Once we get to three claims we don't go for a fourth unless someone makes an accusation with something behind it, or possibly if we think all three claims are such that lynching any of them would be an unacceptable risk. (But I think it's very unlikely our first three claims will be such that this applies.)

The advantage of this is that it creates useful pressure rather than the pseudo pressure of an indefinitely long procession of claims without accusations. If you haven't figured out why this is, put yourself in the shoes of the third person to claim where that person happens to be scum. The stakes are higher than if anything not obviously rubbish would simply lead to someone else claiming, and higher stakes are more likely to tempt mistakes.

Probably should have refreshed the page after taking such a long break while writing that post.

Anyway, obviously we do want a name and flavour claim from Chud. Why wouldn't we?

After we get that, the rest of my previous post still applies.

I am Gallar, the Keeper of Spies.

Yeah, that claim seems sound. Very interesting reason for failure though. He can't be faith without knowing that he is faith, which would suggest that he was blocked. And a mafia roleblocker blocking Chud of all people would make no sense so it would quite likely be a town roleblocker who did the blocking.

So, my question is, should we have this blocker come out so we can have a (fairly) confirmed townie or a suspect in case of any unwanted blocks?

No, I don't think Chud's blocker should come out yet. Since we're more interested in finding the mafia and since we want to limit our claims, if there is a second blocker out there who blocked someone else, I suggest they come out, thus revealing potentially our mafia hitman and getting our last claim.

Chud isn't faith because Thymole said there were no roles depending on random chance. He was either blocked, or his target (taking into account redirecting roles) had some sort of complete immunity to investigative actions at least, or he is lying.

Herr, you say that it makes no sense for a Mafia Roleblocker to block him; would it make any more sense for a town Roleblocker to block him? If so, why? Assessing the probability of this happening is important because it has a direct bearing on the probability that Chud is lying and therefore scum.

Complete immunity to investigative actions would be an interesting trait. If Popey has that trait (including having it as part of a wider trait) I think we should know about it. There's no point wasting our investigators attempting to confirm someone who is immune.

Also, if we have any townie redirecting roles, use them wisely. If you don't have a specific purpose in mind, don't use that sort of power at all if you can avoid it. It's too confusing.

Lastly, why did you target Popey, Chud? Would it not have made more sense to target someone especially likely to be targeted for a kill? Popey wouldn't have been my choice so I'd like to know why he was yours.