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posted 06-23-12 01:24 PM CT (US)   



Somewhere in the royal castle...

“Your Majesty, thank God I have found you in time! You are in the gravest danger. One hour ago a maid found a broken window in the West Tower and since then six people have been killed – six! Two of them were armed guards who didn’t even have time to draw their swords. We are dealing with a highly accomplished assassin. But do not despair, for I have a plan that may yet mean all will be well. With a masked ball I hope to keep you hidden in plain sight for long enough for me to ride to the city barracks and return with enough soldiers to search and secure the castle thoroughly. Until then, we must trust to secrecy and the vigilance of your loyal guards and subjects. I will be back by first light...”

Having rushed out this ominous warning, the Commander of the Guard turned on his heel and strode down the passage as quickly as the circumstances allowed. He stopped only to disembowel a suspicious tapestry. He left behind King James, ruler of the realm by divine right, who at the moment was looking like he’d prefer to have been born a peasant a thousand miles away. A masquerade was an unusual stratagem, but it was all he had. He only wished that the Commander had thought to tell him who his loyal guards left behind to protect him actually were. It didn’t seem prudent though, to wander the castle trying to discover the answer.

* * *

The masquerade had begun by the time the ancient clock in the Bell Tower struck seven in the evening, and by this time everyone had heard about the assassin. A few dozen assorted members of the royal court were assembled in the Great Hall, all identities concealed behind masks and cloaks. The atmosphere was unusually strained, and for once the King wasn’t showing off and being the centre of attention, which was at least a small mercy. One tiny flaw in the Commander’s plan was that no sign of the assassin had been seen for some while, and it was beginning to look as if he (or perhaps she) had decided to join in with the occasion. The more adventurous courtiers felt that it brightened up the dullness of court life somewhat that at any moment an assassin might throw off his mask and cut someone’s throat, or that a disguised guard might suddenly decapitate someone for looking a bit sinister.




Rules
1. Any questions or emails about your role should be directed to masquerademafia@yahoo.co.uk.
2. Votes should be in the format Vote: NameOfPlayer, although small deviations in the formatting and spelling don’t matter. Players are requested to unvote as a courtesy, but it is not required in order to change your vote.
3. No quoting role emails. Paraphrase, and paraphrase properly.
4. No discussing the game outside this thread unless your role email specifically allows it.
5. No strategising in the thread during the Night.
6. No posting once you are dead while the game is on-going. A sole exception for a single ‘Bah!’ post after you die, which should not reveal any new information.
7. No editing posts. Posting multiple times in a row is fine.
8. Broadly speaking, stay within the spirit of the game. I have discretion over the enforcement of this rule, but really, no one should fall foul of it unless they’re being silly. You know what the basic mafia rules are.


Hosting Notes
1. Nothing is completely unknown to the players; if something has happened then collectively the players know exactly what it was. Questions dealing with hypotheticals such as “are failed kills declared in the thread?” will be answered publicly on request.
2. For reference, no, failed night-kills are not declared in the thread. I err on the side of not disclosing information publicly.
3. Role emails are guaranteed to be true, are reasonably comprehensive, and are precise as is practically possible. Any ambiguity in them will be clarified on request.
4. Everything in bold text and everything in this post (except italicised text) is guaranteed to be true. Everything in italics is unrelated to the actual working of the game and just exists to add interest.
5. I don’t do things like claim lists. This is the players’ responsibility, and I don’t want to accidentally influence you by framing someone’s claim in a particular way.
6. Night actions are resolved in a logical order: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Natural_Action_Resolution
7. Day actions are resolved in the order in which they happen. If someone is day-killed and then, immediately after that, places the hammer vote on a bandwagon, then they were dead before the vote and so the vote doesn’t count. Similarly, day-kill attempts made after someone has already met the lynch threshold won’t be considered.
8. I will not respond in this thread during the game to anything other than questions, vote count requests and game events. Criticism and the like will go unanswered until the end of the game.
9. Keep the game reasonably active if you want to avoid a deadline. I will be reluctant to extend deadlines, and won’t extend them for long no matter what. If you’re going to be unable to post for 72 hours or more, please announce this in the thread in advance if possible.


Public Information
1. At any time during any day except the first, anyone may post “DAYKILL: NameOfPlayer” in the thread to attempt a day-kill. As with voting, small deviations in formatting and spelling don’t matter. As many of you will know from your role emails, not everyone actually has a day-kill, and when such a person attempts one nothing will happen. However, a small number of players do have day-kills. By “small”, all that is guaranteed is that it is a minority of starting players. The Assassin and the individual Guards each have a single day-kill.
2. The game will end when all players still in the game have compatible win conditions; essentially this means when no one wants anyone else dead.
3. All members of the ‘town’ have the following passage in their role email:
“You are one of the Courtiers, which is essentially a town faction that wins or loses together. Your win condition is that at least one Courtier must be alive at the end of the game, so you only need to worry about people who want the Courtiers dead. The game will end when all players still in the game have compatible win conditions. Note that you do not need the King to survive in order to win. However, bear in mind that if the King does die that will remove a number of people from the game; you might consider this to make your task easier or harder or neither.”
4. The Assassin wins if he is still alive when the King dies. If they die simultaneously, that is a win for the Assassin. This does not end the game, but will remove the Assassin from it.
5. The King wins if he is still alive at the end of the game. The Guards win with the King, or die with him (automatically).
6. The Guards know the identity of the King, but not vice versa.
7. The host will try to turn up at intervals of 24 hours after the start of each Day as accurately as possible, to do a vote count and a lynch post if applicable. The result of day-kills, and other events that may happen, will also be declared at this time. This is so that there is an element of predictability to how these mechanics will work.
8. When someone dies, the parts of their role email that describe the abilities and passive attributes of their role will be posted in the thread.
9. Players are advised to be careful, as there are some unforgiving elements to this setup. If you expose the King on Day 2 and he is then murdered right in front of you as a result, that is just too bad.
10. Although this game bears some resemblance to the Assassins in the Palace setup, that is only one aspect of the game. I would still encourage those who don’t like that setup to play.
11. This game is a day start, but the starting day is special in that no day-kills may take place.




The story so far...
Those present sit down for a feast.
Things get heated after the meal.
First blood is drawn, and an innocent killed.
Two murders, and the King loses an ally.
A fight breaks out.
Some revellers are lightly wounded.
Disaster strikes, or rather the assassin does.
A plot is uncovered.
Not even the servants can be trusted, and a great noble is lost.
Fear of poison haunts the Great Hall.
Someone breaks under the pressure, and pays the price.
Another man is lost to an unknown enemy.
Burn, sinners, burn!




Still lost in this lonely game we play (9/21):

Mozzarella Man
CarolKarine Sarn II
Thymole
Newt_Gunray
Maegereg
Major Helper
Herr Heir
Ser Periagil
Sassenach


Could not find the right words to say (11/21):

Popeychops - The Cook - Courtiers - One Shot Poisoner
Matt LiVecchi - Sir Walter - Guard
Pulse_of_Shift - Lord Syme - Courtiers - Letter Mason
SodaMister - King James - The King
Rotaretilbo - Sir Edwin - Guard
Vox Nihili WingedFlamez - Captain Oswick - Guard

WRP - Earl of Tarporley - Plotters - Doctor
Sarn - Duke of Chalfont - Courtiers - Royal Advisor
lordofglory - Lord Vandervell - Courtiers - Deputy Poison Doctor
SirDante - The Physician - Courtiers - Poison Doctor

Leif Ericson - Court Magician - Mysterious Recruiter

Escaped to Victory - (1/21)

Henrz - The Assassin

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[This message has been edited by Julius999 (edited 08-12-2012 @ 01:50 PM).]

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posted 07-17-12 11:15 PM CT (US)     1151 / 2102  
To prove I'm not the assassin, DAYKILL: Maeg. Will read up the rest and post later.

"The Dreaming God thinks that Carol should treat his impotence with viagra so that he will be more enthusiastic about the game." - Ash
posted 07-17-12 11:23 PM CT (US)     1152 / 2102  
Also, a list of those who are not the assassin (via fake daykills):
1. WRP
2. Herr
3. Ser Periagil
4. Newt
5. Thymole
6. Major Helper
7. Sarn

It would be nice for everyone who was near the top of the suspicion list (I'm looking at CK here) to fake daykill someone or else risk being killed by the guards as soon as one of them shows up.

"The Dreaming God thinks that Carol should treat his impotence with viagra so that he will be more enthusiastic about the game." - Ash
posted 07-17-12 11:47 PM CT (US)     1153 / 2102  
With that statement from Julius, I believe it possible both are jailer roles. As long as everyone trusts that mole did send in the kill order for WRP, and not for either of the other two, I would say that WRP's role is confirmed unless a third party acted.

However both WRP and helper have claimed daykills and will see what happens in about 20 hours or so.

I believe the theory of servants vs nobles is definately put to rest with the death of the cook, and I said this earlier, I'm really beginng to wonder if there is truly a faction that is specifically out to get the courtiers. What if there is just an SK or 2, isn't the win condition of an SK usually for everyone else to die? And with the guard daykills it could definitely make that a possibility. And if that is true then the king faction and the courtiers faction need to stick together to have the best chance to weather this out.

Just wanted to say this to try and stop the inevitable restart of yesterdays argument.
posted 07-18-12 01:15 AM CT (US)     1154 / 2102  
The one day I choose to sleep from off work to back on work, and it's the day that night ends? Well, no kill on Lordy yet. I was relatively certain Matt was a Guard, but I didn't want to let onto this too strongly because I was going to have him take the shot for the Guards, since myself or Sodo very likely were compromised last night. Not really sure why anyone would want to shoot Matt, though. From an Anti-King perspective, he clashed a lot with the overt Guards and was (intentionally) listed relatively high on the list until right towards the end. From an Anti-Courtier perspective, his behavior was abnormal, and while he eventually was listed as unlikely to be the Assassin, he could have still been considered suspicious today.

Anyway, let's look at the setup realistically, for a moment. There are 21 players. Of those 21 players, I believe 5 to be either a King or Guard. That leaves 16 players. Of those 16, we have 1 Assassin, leaving 15 players. Now, last night, we saw two kills, and Mole claims he was not responsible for either kill. This leads me to believe we are dealing with two unique scum factions. I would then expect the Anti-Courtiers to constitute between 4 and 6 and the Courtiers between 9 and 11, depending on the exacts of the setup. Of the Courtiers, we know that 2 were Letter Masons, leaving roughly 8 Courtiers left. We then have 1 claimed Cop, leaving 7. And we also have the One-Shot Poisoner, leaving 6.

Of those 6 remaining Courtiers, 2 have claimed to be essentially Jailers, and 1 as a Deputy Roleblocker. Does anyone else feel it highly strange that half of the town, discounting the Letter Masons, Cop, and Poisoner, are some type of Roleblocker?

"Also, I'm no clearer on what WIFOM is really, although I gather it's something to do with Thymole being gay..." -Sassenach
"I don't lie in my claims and I don't intend to." -WeeMicky
"OH MY GOD A DINOSAUR" -Peter Fallon
posted 07-18-12 01:40 AM CT (US)     1155 / 2102  
Which is why I don't believe the deputy roleblocker claim one bit. You could realistically claim (now) that one of the roles leans towards being a roleblocker while the other leans towards being a doctor, so that isn't a problem. Also that role and the assassin/anti-courtier roles could overlap.

"Chaos is a ladder." - Petyr Middlefinger

"I love it when Heir is scum and knows he's been rumbled, he goes a bit mad."- Newt_Gunray

"And on that day my respect for Herr grew four fold" - SirDante
posted 07-18-12 01:41 AM CT (US)     1156 / 2102  
Winged, where did you get the idea that I claimed a daykill? As of yesterday I'm totally powerless.

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posted 07-18-12 01:59 AM CT (US)     1157 / 2102  
Henrz, who did you block/protect last night ?

Anyway, since I'm relatively close to the top of the suspect list I'm perfectly willing to do a fake daykill if required, but it occurs to me that while this may be quite useful for isolating the assassin it could also be potentially dangerous if too many people do it because it would serve very nicely for identifying who the guards are, making it easier for the anti-courts to select targets. We were lucky they chose Matt last night, do we want to make it any easier for them ? I'll go with the consensus.

"Hain't we got all the fools in town on our side ? and ain't that a big enough majority in any town ?" - Huckleberry Finn
posted 07-18-12 02:38 AM CT (US)     1158 / 2102  
I feel like there is probably only one remaining Guard who has not been publicly identified already, so I don't know if the Courtiers are going to get lucky again any time soon, in that regard.

WRP and Henrz, if you could both describe your abilities without the use of proper role terminology, we would appreciate it. I'd like to discern exactly what the differences between your two roles are.

Also, if there is town consensus to shoot one of the three claimed quasi-RBs (CK, WRP, or Henrz), the Guards are still willing to use a daykill today.

Julius, I was wondering. How do you feel about the use of encryption in the game thread to allow secure communications between players otherwise not allowed to communicate outside of the game thread? It would be different from out of thread communication in that everyone would know which players were communicating and when they were communicating, but it would also be private, so I wasn't sure how it would be classified.

"Also, I'm no clearer on what WIFOM is really, although I gather it's something to do with Thymole being gay..." -Sassenach
"I don't lie in my claims and I don't intend to." -WeeMicky
"OH MY GOD A DINOSAUR" -Peter Fallon
posted 07-18-12 02:46 AM CT (US)     1159 / 2102  
Julius, I was wondering. How do you feel about the use of encryption in the game thread to allow secure communications between players otherwise not allowed to communicate outside of the game thread? It would be different from out of thread communication in that everyone would know which players were communicating and when they were communicating, but it would also be private, so I wasn't sure how it would be classified.
I thought of that one already, but I'm pretty sure it would be considered to be a violation of the CoC, on the grounds that you're supposed to post everything in English.
With that statement from Julius, I believe it possible both are jailer roles.
It perhaps goes some way toward alleviating the concern I expressed in my last post, but it still strikes me as a little odd that we have two essentially jailkeeper roles that don't work the same way. I suppose WRP is sort of semi-confirmed in his ability (he's demonstrated the ability to prevent himself from dying), but the whole thing still strikes me as a little odd. Henrz, why are you not allowed to protect yourself? Is there a justification?

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posted 07-18-12 02:53 AM CT (US)     1160 / 2102  
Blast, I was hoping to establish secure communications with Sodo and Lordy, since we're out in the open already, but you're right, I can see how it would violate the CoC.

"Also, I'm no clearer on what WIFOM is really, although I gather it's something to do with Thymole being gay..." -Sassenach
"I don't lie in my claims and I don't intend to." -WeeMicky
"OH MY GOD A DINOSAUR" -Peter Fallon
posted 07-18-12 05:45 AM CT (US)     1161 / 2102  
This why not being able to double posting/edit is annoying. I was supposed to say Henrz, but again I was reading one thing and typing another. And by claiming day kills I guess I should have said initiated maybe. Didn't want to say "faked" cause they MIGHT be real.
posted 07-18-12 06:09 AM CT (US)     1162 / 2102  
Here is a post so that, if necessary, you can post again.

"Also, I'm no clearer on what WIFOM is really, although I gather it's something to do with Thymole being gay..." -Sassenach
"I don't lie in my claims and I don't intend to." -WeeMicky
"OH MY GOD A DINOSAUR" -Peter Fallon
posted 07-18-12 08:49 AM CT (US)     1163 / 2102  
Also Maeg we would still be talking in English.


Just English really weird is.

Yaaaaaaaaaaay

"Quoting yourself is stupid"-Lordofglory
"FPS never have lores, I'm sorry."-Joshua Thacker
"Daybreak? I'd rather we be done with you here and now."-Rotaretilbo
posted 07-18-12 09:00 AM CT (US)     1164 / 2102  
Sirf Angrezi ke alfaaz istemaal karne se vakya angrezi ka nahi ho jata.

I'll leave the translation to Periagil.

"Chaos is a ladder." - Petyr Middlefinger

"I love it when Heir is scum and knows he's been rumbled, he goes a bit mad."- Newt_Gunray

"And on that day my respect for Herr grew four fold" - SirDante
posted 07-18-12 09:37 AM CT (US)     1165 / 2102  
WHAT DID YOU JUST CALL MY MOTHER?!

"Quoting yourself is stupid"-Lordofglory
"FPS never have lores, I'm sorry."-Joshua Thacker
"Daybreak? I'd rather we be done with you here and now."-Rotaretilbo
posted 07-18-12 09:50 AM CT (US)     1166 / 2102  
Eh, it says that using English alphabets and words doesn't make the sentence English. -.-

There's no place I can be, since I found Serenity.

Stop playing so erotic, dammit! - theferret
Well, that's like wanting to get raped by a nine-inch dick instead of a ten-inch. - Moff
I was being stupid. - Herr
posted 07-18-12 10:02 AM CT (US)     1167 / 2102  
Yet, using English alphabet, English grammar and English words does make the sentence english.

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Skarr: "I wish WRP_Beater would stop abusing the poor BBCode."
lostrozzacavalli: "Mezzo e un minuto." | "I'm joking ragazzo."
Dr. Newt: "You are WRP. A slightly manic Italian presence on the forums, you have improved over the years to be a fairly reliable pair of hands, either as town or scum."
posted 07-18-12 10:17 AM CT (US)     1168 / 2102  
Posting on phone so information may be slightly inaccurate. My role basically acts as 2 actions in conjunction, I first roleblock someone by making them fall asleep, then I protect them by taking them somewhere safe. This happens in standard night action order so if I get blocked I will only roleblock the other person (I think, will clear this up when I get to emails) and not be able to protect them.

Welcome, to my domain.

My Email is: Henrz.me@hotmail.com

kthx.
posted 07-18-12 10:23 AM CT (US)     1169 / 2102  
My actions instead work simultaneously. They're locked, so protected and, as a side effect, roleblocked.

AoMH retired Scenario designer
Skarr: "I wish WRP_Beater would stop abusing the poor BBCode."
lostrozzacavalli: "Mezzo e un minuto." | "I'm joking ragazzo."
Dr. Newt: "You are WRP. A slightly manic Italian presence on the forums, you have improved over the years to be a fairly reliable pair of hands, either as town or scum."
posted 07-18-12 10:41 AM CT (US)     1170 / 2102  
Could you repost your flavour WRP? And also if I haven't already posted it , I used my action on Rot since I thought the assassin might have a 1 shot night kill that can't kill the king or something.

Welcome, to my domain.

My Email is: Henrz.me@hotmail.com

kthx.
posted 07-18-12 11:01 AM CT (US)     1171 / 2102  
I'm the Earl of Taporley, and I have the keys of every room. I lock people in their room so that they're safe, and they can't do anything while they're locked. My protection is effective against nightkills, but not poison and daykills. My roleblock is effective against active abilities.

AoMH retired Scenario designer
Skarr: "I wish WRP_Beater would stop abusing the poor BBCode."
lostrozzacavalli: "Mezzo e un minuto." | "I'm joking ragazzo."
Dr. Newt: "You are WRP. A slightly manic Italian presence on the forums, you have improved over the years to be a fairly reliable pair of hands, either as town or scum."
posted 07-18-12 12:25 PM CT (US)     1172 / 2102  
I don't like the idea of players using encrypted conversation in the game thread. It's clearly in breach of the spirit of the game. If Julius had intended the guards and king to talk to each other then he'd have allowed it in the first place.

"Hain't we got all the fools in town on our side ? and ain't that a big enough majority in any town ?" - Huckleberry Finn
posted 07-18-12 12:46 PM CT (US)     1173 / 2102  
8. Broadly speaking, stay within the spirit of the game.
I'm going to say that creating separate communication channels in this thread through encryption is not allowed for this reason. It goes too far in dramatically altering the dynamics of mafia.

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posted 07-18-12 02:24 PM CT (US)     1174 / 2102  
Obhectively, I have to agree with Julius. It, more or less, makes our difficult faction play null. Although a bit frustrating to not have effective communication within our faction, I can see why it would not be allowed.

"I have this hysterical urge to move to another room and laugh when I hear Lordy say he has speculated and used some math..." -Major Helper
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posted 07-18-12 02:52 PM CT (US)     1175 / 2102  
Well, if the Guards wanted to bamboozle the shiz out of the assassin, they have done so.

There's no place I can be, since I found Serenity.

Stop playing so erotic, dammit! - theferret
Well, that's like wanting to get raped by a nine-inch dick instead of a ten-inch. - Moff
I was being stupid. - Herr
posted 07-18-12 03:18 PM CT (US)     1176 / 2102  
Ok, well let's move on. The next question we have to decide is whether we want the guards to use one of their remaining daykills. I'd suggest that we probably do so long as it follows careful consideration of the available evidence and the full agreement of the town. It's a potentially dicey one though. There were two kills last night, so we may be facing two distinct anti-courtier factions. If that's the case then it could serve to whittle down our numbers pretty fast if we're not careful, especially if we start daykilling courtiers by mistake, and we also need to bear in mind that all the claims we had on day one have outed a number of pretty solidly confirmed courtiers as targets. At least one of our hypothetical groups made a balls-up last night when they hit a guard but it's unlikely to happen again, so we can't afford too many mistakes from now on.

Top 3 targets seem to be CK, WRP and Henrz, the former because of his questionable claim without any full RBs coming forward and the latter two because of the fact that their claims appear to be contradictory. Of the three I find Henrz the least suspicious. The fact is that he put himself in the firing line when he came out and made a counterclaim, which would be a bold move for scum. We can't completely overlook him though because he hasn't produced any evidence that supports his claim yet and so far as I can recall hasn't even told us who he used his ability on last night. WRP's claim works for me at the flavour level in that it does seem the sort of role likely to exist in a game of this nature, but we can't get away from the fact that he's been counterclaimed by somebody claiming a remarkably similar role. We do know for certain that he was protected last night though, either by himself as he claims or by somebody else. That's evidence in his favour of a sort, albeit rather weak evidence that could easily be explained without believing his claim.

As for CK, this has been well discussed already. His claim of deputy RB in a game apparently packed with RBs is dubious enough as it is, but the fact that no legitimate town RB has come forward to vouch for him makes his claim nigh on unbelievable. The only point in his favour that I could advance at this point is that Mozzy was apparently blocked last night (he said his investigation 'didn't go through'), which implies that there is a RB working out there somewhere. Quite why a town RB would be blocking a claimed cop remains to be seen though, so we're back to square one so far as CK is concerned.

If we had to pick a target for a daykill I'd probably vote for CK, with WRP as second choice and Henrz third. In fact I wouldn't support a hit against Henrz at all really since the case against him is weaker than the others. That's obviously just based on the current top 3 targets though, it may be the town would prefer to look elsewhere.

"Hain't we got all the fools in town on our side ? and ain't that a big enough majority in any town ?" - Huckleberry Finn
posted 07-18-12 04:06 PM CT (US)     1177 / 2102  
It seems clear to me that somebody gathered that I should be protected but didn't figure out that I needed to be able to complete my action.

Reminder: I need doctor protection; not jailer protection.


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posted 07-18-12 04:34 PM CT (US)     1178 / 2102  
In the wake of the two recent deaths, a brawl broke out in the Great Hall. However, the violence subsided with no fatalities.

None of the day-kills attempted were successful.

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posted 07-18-12 04:41 PM CT (US)     1179 / 2102  
I think it really comes down to who we want to trust more at this time.

Mozzy claims he targets Henrz for Investigation, claims it did not go through. Henrz claims he target Rot for RB/Protection.

WRP claims he targeted himself for RB/Protection. Mole claims he targeted WRP for Execution, did not go through cause WRP did not die.

If we believe Mozzy. Then either there is ANOTHER RB/protection role out there, or Henrz is lieing, because Mozzy got no information on Henrz.

If we believe Henrz then either there is another RP/Protection role, or Mozzy is lieing.

If WRP lied about his action then Mole lied about his, or there is yet another RB/Protection role out there that saved WRP.

I do not think that Mole lieing proves anything about the situation.

Something else I find suspicious. Mole has claimed himself as a Cop, mostly voluntarily, painting a giant target on himself. He used that claim as protection on Day 0 to push very hard that the Guards and Courtiers are against one another, and that the courtiers should band together and kill the guards/King. Apparantly no one took a shot at Mozzy, unless we assume there is ANOTHER Protection/RB out there. At first I thought that was suspicious of Mozzy, but then I thought. What if Henrz was lying. What purpose would Henrz have of targeting Rot, sure maybe protection, but still wouldn't it be better to protect the Cop instead of the Guard, that would explain why Mozzy wasn't able to get any information about Henrz, But even then why hide that he had done it. Why not simply say, oh sorry Mozzy I forgot about the whole RB thing. I say that Henrz is more suspicious than WRP. But again it depends on who you think you can trust more. Sure counter claiming the real thing is risky, and so it wouldn't happen, but that is serious WIFOM. I am not sure if Henrz is the assassin, but based on all the evidence given from last night I smell a giant truck load of BS. Still suspicious of Mozzy but at this point.

Vote: Henrz
posted 07-18-12 05:03 PM CT (US)     1180 / 2102  
Henrz claims he target Rot for RB/Protection.
He did ? I seem to have totally missed that. Why would anybody protect a claimed guard ?

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posted 07-18-12 05:10 PM CT (US)     1181 / 2102  
Yes he did post 1170. You could assume mole and WRP are both lying and WRP targeted mozzy.

Would quote but I'm on my mobile and also bad with BBCode.

Also I said mole claimed cop. I ment mozzy. Sorry again. I'm apparantly really bad with internet names.
posted 07-18-12 05:13 PM CT (US)     1182 / 2102  
Mozzy was not necessarily targeted by one of our jailers. There was no failed kill on him, meaning he was not necessarily protected. In this case, a scum blocker could have blocked Mozzy. However, of WRP and Henrz, I would suspect Henrz foremost simply because Mole's kill did not go through. But I still suspect CK more than any of them.

"Also, I'm no clearer on what WIFOM is really, although I gather it's something to do with Thymole being gay..." -Sassenach
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posted 07-18-12 05:23 PM CT (US)     1183 / 2102  
Yeah, both Mole and I could be lying, but Mole was confirmed by Major, so Mole, Major and I would all have to be anti-courtiers then. This is ridiculous.

Let's examine this:
WRP
Henrz
RoleProtection provenNot proven
FlavourFits the roleFits the role
BehaviourI don't want to look partial, so it would be appreciated if a third party analysed both my behaviour and Henrz's.

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Dr. Newt: "You are WRP. A slightly manic Italian presence on the forums, you have improved over the years to be a fairly reliable pair of hands, either as town or scum."
posted 07-18-12 05:25 PM CT (US)     1184 / 2102  
Woops, for some reason I pushed "submit reply" instead of "preview reply". Anyway that chart would have gone on explaining how Henrz's choice was weird, while mine wasn't.

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posted 07-18-12 05:26 PM CT (US)     1185 / 2102  
(Choice for night action)

But the fact that he counterclaimed me indeed puts more credibility on him. Let's say that we both have some points for us and some points against us.

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Skarr: "I wish WRP_Beater would stop abusing the poor BBCode."
lostrozzacavalli: "Mezzo e un minuto." | "I'm joking ragazzo."
Dr. Newt: "You are WRP. A slightly manic Italian presence on the forums, you have improved over the years to be a fairly reliable pair of hands, either as town or scum."
posted 07-18-12 05:44 PM CT (US)     1186 / 2102  
If someone wants to review my behaviour, feel free. Action wise I thought that the assassin might have some kind of extra kill (as I said) and wanted to, hopefully, prevent a death. I do not know if I was successful as failed kills are not shown as the op said.

Welcome, to my domain.

My Email is: Henrz.me@hotmail.com

kthx.
posted 07-18-12 05:53 PM CT (US)     1187 / 2102  
Hmm.. The problem I have with Henrz story about why he protected Rot is that he's supposed to be a courtier. Ultimately that means it would have been far more important for him to protect another courtier. Rot has claimed guard, and while there could well be utility in keeping a few guards around we gain more by keeping courtiers alive. It's also somewhat convenient that he picked somebody without a claimed night action so his action can never be proven.

I guess it's not completely outlandish to suppose that the assassin might have an additional action available, but it does seem unlikely, certainly not a strong enough possibility to waste a protection on Rot when members of your own faction are at risk.

"Hain't we got all the fools in town on our side ? and ain't that a big enough majority in any town ?" - Huckleberry Finn
posted 07-18-12 06:00 PM CT (US)     1188 / 2102  
I guess it's not completely outlandish to suppose that the assassin might have an additional action available, but it does seem unlikely, certainly not a strong enough possibility to waste a protection on Rot when members of your own faction are at risk.
I agree, though in fairness to Henrz he might have decided it was safer to go for a (pretty much) confirmed guard than take a chance on someone who may or may not be a courtier among the claims. Just conjecture though, I'm trying to think what I'd be doing in that situation. Better the devil you know, perhaps.

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posted 07-18-12 06:05 PM CT (US)     1189 / 2102  
I'd have gone for either Maeg or Pulse. Granted, they hadn't been properly confirmed at that point, but most people seemed to believe them and their story gave every indication that one of them might have been a genuine target that needed protection (which turned out to be the case). The added benefit there of course would have been that if they were lying then in all probability that would have meant they were scum and you might have been blocking their night action.

Choosing Rot makes no kind of sense.

"Hain't we got all the fools in town on our side ? and ain't that a big enough majority in any town ?" - Huckleberry Finn
posted 07-18-12 06:15 PM CT (US)     1190 / 2102  
Made sense to me at the time, in hindsight it may have been a better idea to use it on a courtier, however using it on Rot made it so that I knew I was only protecting as opposed to also roleblocking what could have been an important role.

Welcome, to my domain.

My Email is: Henrz.me@hotmail.com

kthx.
posted 07-19-12 00:26 AM CT (US)     1191 / 2102  
So you believed that the assassin might have had an extra kill when Rot repeatedly stated that the assassin has at best a utility night action of the sort that I claim to possess?

"Chaos is a ladder." - Petyr Middlefinger

"I love it when Heir is scum and knows he's been rumbled, he goes a bit mad."- Newt_Gunray

"And on that day my respect for Herr grew four fold" - SirDante
posted 07-19-12 00:37 AM CT (US)     1192 / 2102  
Henrz is off his rocker.

posted 07-19-12 00:38 AM CT (US)     1193 / 2102  
Or perhaps you are so narrow-minded that the only possible set up you see for scum is assassin and AC's. Why can't it just be assassin and an SK or two?

"I have this hysterical urge to move to another room and laugh when I hear Lordy say he has speculated and used some math..." -Major Helper
"God damnit, did I just make that an Australian demon?
-Sodamister
"I like my women like I like my English weather: cold and wet." -Henrz
posted 07-19-12 00:43 AM CT (US)     1194 / 2102  
I support blocking Rot if, as I understand it, he can kill.


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posted 07-19-12 00:49 AM CT (US)     1195 / 2102  
He can only kill during the day.

"Hain't we got all the fools in town on our side ? and ain't that a big enough majority in any town ?" - Huckleberry Finn
posted 07-19-12 00:54 AM CT (US)     1196 / 2102  
Mozzy in charge of buggering up information available since the sign-up thread.

"I have this hysterical urge to move to another room and laugh when I hear Lordy say he has speculated and used some math..." -Major Helper
"God damnit, did I just make that an Australian demon?
-Sodamister
"I like my women like I like my English weather: cold and wet." -Henrz
posted 07-19-12 00:59 AM CT (US)     1197 / 2102  
Hey, I've been one of the people constantly referencing the sign-up thread. I got a bit confused between that apparent barrage of kills that were scheduled for last night and the day kills today.


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Mozzarella Man Cheddar Chap, Brie Bloke, Gorgonzola Guy, Feta Fellow, Wensleydale Warrior, Edam Emperor, Parmesan Priest,
Munster Mate, Asiago Associate, Provolone Player, Havarti Hunk, Romano Rabbi, Swiss Soldier, Limburger Lass, Gouda Gentleman
posted 07-19-12 01:40 AM CT (US)     1198 / 2102  
What kills were "scheduled" for last night? A barrage is a bit of an extreme term for the one execution the town planned. Do you know a bit more than you're letting on?

"I have this hysterical urge to move to another room and laugh when I hear Lordy say he has speculated and used some math..." -Major Helper
"God damnit, did I just make that an Australian demon?
-Sodamister
"I like my women like I like my English weather: cold and wet." -Henrz
posted 07-19-12 01:42 AM CT (US)     1199 / 2102  
The barrage that was cancelled. I was pretty high on the list and was forced to claim a pretty important role because of it. Have you not been reading?


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I too always thought "blog" would sound less silly as the years went by.
Mozzarella Man Cheddar Chap, Brie Bloke, Gorgonzola Guy, Feta Fellow, Wensleydale Warrior, Edam Emperor, Parmesan Priest,
Munster Mate, Asiago Associate, Provolone Player, Havarti Hunk, Romano Rabbi, Swiss Soldier, Limburger Lass, Gouda Gentleman
posted 07-19-12 02:04 AM CT (US)     1200 / 2102  
This "barrage" you speak of was slated for Day 2, not Night 1. Mozzy, have you not been reading?

"I have this hysterical urge to move to another room and laugh when I hear Lordy say he has speculated and used some math..." -Major Helper
"God damnit, did I just make that an Australian demon?
-Sodamister
"I like my women like I like my English weather: cold and wet." -Henrz
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