Awesome I'll feature this in the download spotlight on wedensday

I seem to have encountered a rather fatal bug, upon completing the Zofia mission (mission 4) I am constantly defeated for no apparent reason after the cinematic fires. Other then that, the scenario is rather impressive.

Great

Hopefully the cinematic is as good as the scenario.

Fixed it, thanks Intrepid.

[This message has been edited by Byzantine_Warrior (edited 09-20-2003 @ 01:42 AM).]

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Did you upload the fixed version?

I'm downloading it now..bet it'll be cool.

EDIT: I'm just curious, how come it took you 10 months? I played it and its great...one of the best on AoMH..but it doesn't really feel like 10 months work. Did you do like 30 min a week or something?

Anyways, nice scn. Might review later.

[This message has been edited by Gaurdian_112 (edited 09-20-2003 @ 12:14 PM).]

It IS ten month work. It might seem that a two month work is only as good as a two day work, but that's quite an illusion. Besides just making the map would require constant testing, which takes time, fixing of bugs which could take several tries, and the early develop stage, etc... and look at how many triggers there are, and they are not repetitive ones mostly.
If this were done 30 min per week, I can assure you nearly 100 bugs.

So i think this map well worthed the time, good, actually I'll call it great job done

[This message has been edited by battlestar000 (edited 09-20-2003 @ 12:59 PM).]

Basically, I began on November 20th and while I had some days I did not work on it, there were time where I'd stay up until three or four in the morning working on it. It also depends how much you've played thus far. It should not be judged until you've finished it.

Sounds great, I'll give it a download.

I am having same problem as intrepid.... How can I get the fixed version?

Well, I reuploaded a new version and I believe I fixed the problem. Not sure why it wouldn't work.

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I said it was cool:P. I liked it! I would give it a 4/5...

I played for some while than saved it, I'll continue later.

For some reason I can't review any files btw, get an error, stopped trying.

After I save that lady accused of witch-craft, no new missions pop up, and there's no new objectives! What do I do?

Wow, I was just gonna say that!

That, I beleive, is a problem with AoM. After saving you lose all techs and the triggers stop working. Nothing I can do.

Oh darn

So are there supposed to be more missions after the witch-craft one? Because I noticed that the techs get reset after each load, but the triggers worked properly up till that one mission...

Man, very sorry everyone. Fixed it again. *shakes head* Never again. Also, let us know how you like Kumar's Intro. It is extremely well done. Thanks for your patience.

[This message has been edited by Byzantine_Warrior (edited 09-21-2003 @ 07:31 PM).]

I think triggers don't go bad after reload... So i tested that last night and triggers should work after reload (generally).

Never mind, since u replied just before me

[This message has been edited by battlestar000 (edited 09-21-2003 @ 07:32 PM).]

You fixed it? So if I download it again it'll work?

download it, check when it's last modified (right click icon, properties): if it's today or yesterday, then it probably works.

Tried it, still not working

Alright, hopefully the last time I reuploaded it. For those of you who already have downloaded it but do not want to download 6.5 megs again, go to the link in the readme and the scenario itself is there. Thanks for you long lasting patience, I shouldn't have released it buggy.

I've played up to the casting of the healing spring. I appreciate that in AOM Scenario editing, there's the laborious, time-consuming task of testing and triggers take a while to get right, too, and I won't comment on the ten month production time. Besides, it matters how good the scenario is, not how long it took, right?

Well, I understand you've worked hard on this, and it is a nice scenario, so I hate to be the first to put in anything negative. Nevertheless, someone has to point out those little things. I say all this with the best of intentions, and I have no desire to flame or discredit you in any way - I have nothing to gain from it, in any case.

- the intro movie has the fishing ship near the edge of the map. I think it's a convention in RPG - or RPG-style scenarios - that loss of immersion, the sense that you are in that virtual world, is detrimental to gameplay. Well, I was interested with the cinematic until bang, I see the river flow into black nothingness. Perhaps a forest buffer would have been nicer.
- the beginning dialogue is a bit clunky. The "let's go then..." part of the bandit dialogue was, well, self-explanatorily silly, and the "as years of his work.. time to start fresh" part loses your sense of sympathy at the merchant, because the dialogue takes the tone of, "hey, look, ten years of work gone, so? lets just start again", instead of a brooding on the tragedy.
- why was the merchant standing tall in a plateau visible to every squirrel in a kilometre radius when bandits size of a small army were attacking his business? simple elevation tweak and pitch could have had us look from his viewpoint, only the head showing over the undergrowth or the elevation. I liked the scattered tree style, and of course one cannot be excessive on eye candy, but as far as I've gone in the scenario, nothing awe-inspiring or innovative in graphics, i'm afraid. nice touches here and there, though.
- you probably overlooked this for gameplay reasons, but i was left wondering how a merchant with no guard or servant for his business could afford a myrmidon gear and had the martial expertise to dispatch two spearmen. I presume that the merchant had previous experience as a soldier.. if so, we could have known that.
- Was it really necessary to have dialogue go in the objective screen? Triggers sending chat messages by normal chat or by blue text boxes, triggering condition: timer effect: chat dialogue to follow would have allowed a more realistic chat, with opportunities for replies. I remember in AOK that I, and many others, used this to have even three-way conversations with one of them departing early, and it did not require major trigger work. I presume that you simply overlooked this possibility - perhaps for next time.
- I had no idea why a merchant could pay for a healing stream. A healing stream that can bring a near-dead man back to full health. Pocketable, like dragonball z.

Most of these points of course relate to immersion and plot, and I will definitely keep playing to see if you throw off these negative elements, but I just think that the start of the scenario is a tad clunky. I understand that perhaps your skills increased as the scenario went on, though.

All this is IMO, though I've found others who agree with me. This isn't a case put forward to bash your work, but suggestions; If you feel that someone who hasn't yet published one scenario in AOM, and hasn't spent 10 months on the editor, can't tell you things, go ahead and ignore the post, I'm okay with that. I'll try the rest of the scenario in the near future, but this is simply my suggestions and comments for now, if you value it. If not, skip to next post.

The fishing ship part was there to in a sense show his arrival after fishing at the dock.

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I don't think before playing the whole campaign it would be a good idea to comment on some dialouge parts or the intro parts.

About the merchant standing on the peak, remember the intro is not in first person mode. It is more of a narrator style, and moreover, elevation enough is good to hide someone from bandits.

The merchant was in myrmidon gear from that start of the game, intro. When designing some scenarios, we do away with explaining everything.

The healing spring part is important in the scenario, because at the moment in AoM thats the easiest way to provide healing for a unit. Also, it has some more uses you will encounter as you play along.

Also, the intro isnt made by Byzantine Warrior but is made by me.

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I should have mentioned something, however, there is a reason why he is so well in combat, which in somewhat revealed at the end of the scenario.

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See, this is what ticked me off, not you're comment, but in the editor. I played EE, designed for it, and the text boxes there were great. You could have any amount of text in there and it would scroll down. Now obviously you know there is a limit to the amount of text you can have in the chat mode, and I was unwilling to make ten different triggers to display the conversation when I can put it in one place, and also leave it there as a reminder to the player. I can see what you mean though, it is just a lack of interest of putting in, IMO, unecessary work for text.

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I'm not quite sure what you mean... he recieved the healing spring as an upgrade for completing the first piece of the scenario. It does say, "You leveled up!" That's the only leveling up area however.

Thank you very much for your comments, critizism is very helpful. I hope you have fun with it should you play to the end.

Also, not to bust anymore on AoM, however, it isn't the best editor for making RPG's.

[This message has been edited by Byzantine_Warrior (edited 09-23-2003 @ 03:31 PM).]