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posted 05-08-09 12:50 PM CT (US)   


"You don't know who you are anymore."

"Of course I do. I'm Leonard Shelby. I'm from San Francisco."

"No, that's who you were. Maybe it's time you started investigating yourself."


Game Phase: Game Over
Moderator Email: ashgerms@yahoo.com

Alive and Well
04. James Hook (Sammy Jankis; Insane Jack of All Trades; Unknown Survivor)
07. Azur (Burt; Faith Auto Tracker; Town)

In Our Loving Memory
03. Julius999 (Leonard Shelby; Paranoid Cop Unknown Faith Serial Killer; Unknown Mason)
01. Rotaretilbo (Natalie; Bus-Driver; Unknown Mafia)
08. Brighty (Jimmy; Roleblocker; Unknown Mafia)
06. Catabre (Mrs. Jankis; Doctor; Town)
05. NomadicNoodle (Dodd; Miller; Town)
02. A Banned User (Teddy; Cop; Unknown Mason)

Yet to be Remembered
dsmi1
Shanks13
Blatant7


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  • Do not reveal any information (including investigation results, specifics about your role, etc.) after your character has died.
  • This game is closed communication - strategize in this thread only, unless your role states otherwise.
  • No strategizing during the night phase.
  • Follow HG's Code of Conduct.
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  • During the day, players can vote to lynch. To cast your vote type Vote: Name. It's preferred that you bold it.
  • If you change your vote, type Unvote before your new vote.
  • This is an Ashrzr mafia, and thus is experimental. If it doesn't work out, oops.

    EE forever

    [This message has been edited by Ashrzr (edited 06-15-2009 @ 01:13 PM).]

  • Replies:
    posted 05-08-09 12:56 PM CT (US)     1 / 680  
    Okay, focus... focus, Leonard. What was I just doing?

    I have a gun in my hand... always getting myself into things I suppose.
    Check the pockets, Leonard, check the pockets... some sort of paper...
    a picture. Why would I have a picture in my pocket? Hmm, it's got
    something written on it.

    "Don't trust their lies."

    Whose lies?


    It is now Night 0.
    Send all night actions to ashgerms@yahoo.com within 48 hours.

    EE forever
    posted 05-09-09 01:17 PM CT (US)     2 / 680  
    Okay, Leonard... where am I going? I'm in a car... a nice one...

    Here's a note: "Tattoo
    parlor, 257 NE 7th St." Didn't know I was one for tattoos. Jesus, is
    that guy aiming his gun at me? Shit! Get in the alley, Leonard... Is
    he following me? ...okay we lost him. Hey get out of the way lady, get out
    of the--Jesus did she want to get killed? Almost hit her back there,
    close one.

    Okay Leonard... where am I going? I'm in a car... a nice one...


    Someone tried to kill Catabre but failed.
    It is now Day 1. 5 votes to lynch.

    EE forever
    posted 05-09-09 02:13 PM CT (US)     3 / 680  
    I didn't get killed. Joy!

    I am slightly perplexed that Catabre was the target though. No offence, but if I was prioritising townies to kill, he wouldn't be at the top. Some sort of interfering factor then perhaps?

    Random Vote: NomadicNoodle

    Please, please don't turn this into a bandwagon. Let's try an alternative way to start the day. Just this once. You might like it.

    1010011010
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    Member of Stormwind Studios
    posted 05-09-09 03:27 PM CT (US)     4 / 680  
    Did you just random vote for somebody Julius?
    I am slightly perplexed that Catabre was the target though. No offence, but if I was prioritising townies to kill, he wouldn't be at the top. Some sort of interfering factor then perhaps?
    Or somebody who has never played with him before, and I believe the main person on that list would be the one you just random voted for. So, maybe it's not such a bad random vote afterall.

    But if you want to vote for him and want nobody else to bandwagon on him, very well I won't add my vote.

    "Banned is a beautiful, beautiful man. Visit BfME2H, EEH, or DoFH if you want to see more of this wonder." - Blatant
    "I'VE ABANDONED MY CHILD" - Ashrzr defending himself from paedophile charges.

    Scenario designer for Empire Earth and Empire Creations
    1st July 1916, The Somme (4.6), The Long Road to France (4.8) and A Place Called Waterloo (4.8)
    President of EEH, alongside Ashrzr (FILM DUDE!)
    posted 05-09-09 03:29 PM CT (US)     5 / 680  
    Oh and can we have everybody who has seen the film to say 'Ai'?

    Ai.

    I think this will be important as the twist at the end really will affect this game and allegiances in it, but those who haven't seen an absolutely awesome film, you may end up having a twist ruined!

    "Banned is a beautiful, beautiful man. Visit BfME2H, EEH, or DoFH if you want to see more of this wonder." - Blatant
    "I'VE ABANDONED MY CHILD" - Ashrzr defending himself from paedophile charges.

    Scenario designer for Empire Earth and Empire Creations
    1st July 1916, The Somme (4.6), The Long Road to France (4.8) and A Place Called Waterloo (4.8)
    President of EEH, alongside Ashrzr (FILM DUDE!)
    posted 05-09-09 04:04 PM CT (US)     6 / 680  
    I haven't seen it.

    Vote: Rot

    Random vote.

    4:45 PM - Papaya: can I say that I want to put a ****ing knife in his throat and then take it back

    If you don't like it here, we're not making you stay, so please, feel free to leave so Hook and I can make love to each other in peace.~ Shanks
    posted 05-09-09 04:15 PM CT (US)     7 / 680  
    Then i'm afraid you may have to ruin it for yourself by reading the full plot on it. Because if not then your not going to be able to accurately lynch people because of the information the twist at the end of the film which completely changes things. Which i'm sure will effect this mafia.

    Either that or replace yourself

    "Banned is a beautiful, beautiful man. Visit BfME2H, EEH, or DoFH if you want to see more of this wonder." - Blatant
    "I'VE ABANDONED MY CHILD" - Ashrzr defending himself from paedophile charges.

    Scenario designer for Empire Earth and Empire Creations
    1st July 1916, The Somme (4.6), The Long Road to France (4.8) and A Place Called Waterloo (4.8)
    President of EEH, alongside Ashrzr (FILM DUDE!)
    posted 05-09-09 04:17 PM CT (US)     8 / 680  
    posted 05-09-09 04:19 PM CT (US)     9 / 680  
    Oh god Ashrzr you never warned me Brighty was playing...


    I mean hi

    "Banned is a beautiful, beautiful man. Visit BfME2H, EEH, or DoFH if you want to see more of this wonder." - Blatant
    "I'VE ABANDONED MY CHILD" - Ashrzr defending himself from paedophile charges.

    Scenario designer for Empire Earth and Empire Creations
    1st July 1916, The Somme (4.6), The Long Road to France (4.8) and A Place Called Waterloo (4.8)
    President of EEH, alongside Ashrzr (FILM DUDE!)
    posted 05-09-09 04:23 PM CT (US)     10 / 680  
    Then i'm afraid you may have to ruin it for yourself by reading the full plot on it. Because if not then your not going to be able to accurately lynch people because of the information the twist at the end of the film which completely changes things. Which i'm sure will effect this mafia.
    I almost care.

    4:45 PM - Papaya: can I say that I want to put a ****ing knife in his throat and then take it back

    If you don't like it here, we're not making you stay, so please, feel free to leave so Hook and I can make love to each other in peace.~ Shanks
    posted 05-09-09 04:38 PM CT (US)     11 / 680  
    Oh god Ashrzr you never warned me Brighty was playing...
    I don't know you... why would you say this?
    posted 05-09-09 04:49 PM CT (US)     12 / 680  
    But we all know you, Brighty.

    4:45 PM - Papaya: can I say that I want to put a ****ing knife in his throat and then take it back

    If you don't like it here, we're not making you stay, so please, feel free to leave so Hook and I can make love to each other in peace.~ Shanks
    posted 05-09-09 05:00 PM CT (US)     13 / 680  
    Catabre, I'm curious. Are you iron?

    "Also, I'm no clearer on what WIFOM is really, although I gather it's something to do with Thymole being gay..." -Sassenach
    "I don't lie in my claims and I don't intend to." -WeeMicky
    "OH MY GOD A DINOSAUR" -Peter Fallon
    posted 05-09-09 05:22 PM CT (US)     14 / 680  
    I almost care.
    Thats the spirit when playing a mafia on the subject
    I don't know you... why would you say this?
    Don't know...

    And Rots first post interests me greatly.

    "Banned is a beautiful, beautiful man. Visit BfME2H, EEH, or DoFH if you want to see more of this wonder." - Blatant
    "I'VE ABANDONED MY CHILD" - Ashrzr defending himself from paedophile charges.

    Scenario designer for Empire Earth and Empire Creations
    1st July 1916, The Somme (4.6), The Long Road to France (4.8) and A Place Called Waterloo (4.8)
    President of EEH, alongside Ashrzr (FILM DUDE!)
    posted 05-09-09 05:22 PM CT (US)     15 / 680  
    Hey everyone, I'm curious, what are your roles and night actions? Be specific please, and try to give me an idea of who you will be targeting. Kay?
    [/sarcasm]
    posted 05-09-09 05:23 PM CT (US)     16 / 680  
    Julius your gonna love Brighty

    "Banned is a beautiful, beautiful man. Visit BfME2H, EEH, or DoFH if you want to see more of this wonder." - Blatant
    "I'VE ABANDONED MY CHILD" - Ashrzr defending himself from paedophile charges.

    Scenario designer for Empire Earth and Empire Creations
    1st July 1916, The Somme (4.6), The Long Road to France (4.8) and A Place Called Waterloo (4.8)
    President of EEH, alongside Ashrzr (FILM DUDE!)
    posted 05-09-09 05:30 PM CT (US)     17 / 680  
    Rot, please RC. I have my reasons.

    4:45 PM - Papaya: can I say that I want to put a ****ing knife in his throat and then take it back

    If you don't like it here, we're not making you stay, so please, feel free to leave so Hook and I can make love to each other in peace.~ Shanks
    posted 05-09-09 05:33 PM CT (US)     18 / 680  
    posted 05-09-09 05:42 PM CT (US)     19 / 680  
    Well, Catabre is either Mrs. Jankis or Natalie, based on wikipedia.
    posted 05-09-09 05:43 PM CT (US)     20 / 680  
    Vote:Rotaretilbo
    Rot, please RC. I have my reasons.
    A good reason in itself.
    posted 05-09-09 06:05 PM CT (US)     21 / 680  
    Did you just random vote for somebody Julius?
    I am in favour of random votes. Just not random bandwagons. Have I just shattered your mythical view of me?
    Rot, please RC. I have my reasons.
    Damn it, people! A little subtlety goes a long way!

    I have not seen Memento yet, but I own a copy and will watch it very soon (been meaning to for ages).

    1010011010
    [ All_That_Glitters | Pretty_Town_Contest | Other_AoK_Designs | AoE_Designs ]
    Member of Stormwind Studios
    posted 05-09-09 06:33 PM CT (US)     22 / 680  
    Damn it, people! A little subtlety goes a long way!
    You'll soon see that I am surprisingly blunt in mafia. Although it's a horrible habit, I make do.

    4:45 PM - Papaya: can I say that I want to put a ****ing knife in his throat and then take it back

    If you don't like it here, we're not making you stay, so please, feel free to leave so Hook and I can make love to each other in peace.~ Shanks
    posted 05-09-09 07:52 PM CT (US)     23 / 680  
    Vote Count:
  • NomadicNoodle - 1 (Julius999)
  • Rotaretilbo - 2 (James Hook, Brighty)

    5 votes to lynch.

  • EE forever
    posted 05-10-09 01:02 AM CT (US)     24 / 680  
    You have your reasons?

    Well, I have my reasons for wanting to know if Catabre is iron. And I also have my reasons to believe that, if nothing else, Brighty is not our killer.

    I'l RC if you really want, but for now, I'll simply assure you that I am town.

    "Also, I'm no clearer on what WIFOM is really, although I gather it's something to do with Thymole being gay..." -Sassenach
    "I don't lie in my claims and I don't intend to." -WeeMicky
    "OH MY GOD A DINOSAUR" -Peter Fallon
    posted 05-10-09 01:36 AM CT (US)     25 / 680  
    And I also have my reasons to believe that, if nothing else, Brighty is not our killer.
    Hmm. Now I'm curious what you are.
    posted 05-10-09 06:32 AM CT (US)     26 / 680  
    Rot can you post without asking a question?

    Or must you ask questions to make notes for when you lose your short term memory to try and find your wifes killer? Despite the fact you killed him two years ago and your now just a serial killer?

    (Watch the film guys, I think Rot is Leonard, and therefore a serial killer/lyncher)

    "Banned is a beautiful, beautiful man. Visit BfME2H, EEH, or DoFH if you want to see more of this wonder." - Blatant
    "I'VE ABANDONED MY CHILD" - Ashrzr defending himself from paedophile charges.

    Scenario designer for Empire Earth and Empire Creations
    1st July 1916, The Somme (4.6), The Long Road to France (4.8) and A Place Called Waterloo (4.8)
    President of EEH, alongside Ashrzr (FILM DUDE!)
    posted 05-10-09 06:33 AM CT (US)     27 / 680  
    Oh and Rot who do you believe is our killer? Not in person but as a character in the film?

    "Banned is a beautiful, beautiful man. Visit BfME2H, EEH, or DoFH if you want to see more of this wonder." - Blatant
    "I'VE ABANDONED MY CHILD" - Ashrzr defending himself from paedophile charges.

    Scenario designer for Empire Earth and Empire Creations
    1st July 1916, The Somme (4.6), The Long Road to France (4.8) and A Place Called Waterloo (4.8)
    President of EEH, alongside Ashrzr (FILM DUDE!)
    posted 05-10-09 07:59 AM CT (US)     28 / 680  
    Although it's a horrible habit, I make do.
    So why should the town accept your reason?
    Watch the film guys, I think Rot is Leonard, and therefore a serial killer/lyncher
    Because he's asked questions? Lots of people, including me, ask questions in almost every post. A pattern is hardly established yet for Rot in this game. So do you have any other reason?

    Everyone, can we stop playing hard to get with "I have my reasons" and similar rubbish? Either it's time for you to claim, and you do so. Or more likely it's time for you not to go around giving everything away. This is why we have random votes, to help avoid people saying "I have my reasons".

    1010011010
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    Member of Stormwind Studios
    posted 05-10-09 08:07 AM CT (US)     29 / 680  
    Because he's asked questions? Lots of people, including me, ask questions in almost every post. A pattern is hardly established yet for Rot in this game. So do you have any other reason?
    Of course i'm not saying it for certain. However, if Rot is unable to post without adding a question, it may be very important. I mean look at his first post asking if cat is iron. Will this information be useful to him in future? And I can think of one character who'd be given a restriction like this.

    Plus it may look like I’m the only one who has see the film, but Leonard is going to have quite a complicated character presumably. I'm sure Ashrzr would want somebody experienced to play it, like Rot. Now I’m not sure what Hook is hinting at, but it only adds to my interest to Rot, as well as what Rot said about Brighty, about knowing he isn't the 'killer'. If he's talking about the killer of his wife, then this only adds to my belief of who he is.

    "Banned is a beautiful, beautiful man. Visit BfME2H, EEH, or DoFH if you want to see more of this wonder." - Blatant
    "I'VE ABANDONED MY CHILD" - Ashrzr defending himself from paedophile charges.

    Scenario designer for Empire Earth and Empire Creations
    1st July 1916, The Somme (4.6), The Long Road to France (4.8) and A Place Called Waterloo (4.8)
    President of EEH, alongside Ashrzr (FILM DUDE!)
    posted 05-10-09 08:19 AM CT (US)     30 / 680  
    Never been killed on Night 1 before. I have not seen the movie, so I will have to read a wiki synopsis.

    How else can we tell if Rot is the SK?

    "Apparently, arguing for the right to do something no-one wants to do is the lifeblood of HG." - TaylorFlame

    "Whatever happened, BFME2H did it better. No Exceptions." - EnemyofJupitor
    posted 05-10-09 08:23 AM CT (US)     31 / 680  
    I'm sure Ashrzr would want somebody experienced to play it
    Hmm. Do people around here not randomly allocate roles?

    1010011010
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    Member of Stormwind Studios
    posted 05-10-09 08:28 AM CT (US)     32 / 680  
    I did randomize for Wild West, but not for Mansion. I don't think Ashrzr does as I believe he purposely gave me the Joker role for Dark Knight mafia.

    Have u found another problem with our mafia ways Julius?

    "Banned is a beautiful, beautiful man. Visit BfME2H, EEH, or DoFH if you want to see more of this wonder." - Blatant
    "I'VE ABANDONED MY CHILD" - Ashrzr defending himself from paedophile charges.

    Scenario designer for Empire Earth and Empire Creations
    1st July 1916, The Somme (4.6), The Long Road to France (4.8) and A Place Called Waterloo (4.8)
    President of EEH, alongside Ashrzr (FILM DUDE!)
    posted 05-10-09 08:30 AM CT (US)     33 / 680  
    Yes.

    But let us leave that crusade for another day. I'm not entirely happy with you asking Rot to character claim based purely on a post restriction we can't even be sure he has. He's only posted twice, and questions aren't exactly unusual.

    Unfortunately, several people seem to be in the process of giving their roles away. Please stop.

    1010011010
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    Member of Stormwind Studios
    posted 05-10-09 09:08 AM CT (US)     34 / 680  
    So why should the town accept your reason?
    Because of an ability, no shit?

    Anyway, Rot is telling the truth. He targetted Brighty last nigt. Not sure what he did, but he did target Brighty.

    Unvote

    4:45 PM - Papaya: can I say that I want to put a ****ing knife in his throat and then take it back

    If you don't like it here, we're not making you stay, so please, feel free to leave so Hook and I can make love to each other in peace.~ Shanks
    posted 05-10-09 09:13 AM CT (US)     35 / 680  
    I was trying to give you a way out. But seeing as you've now basically claimed Tracker (or less likely Watcher), I guess we might as well hear the rest of your claim.

    1010011010
    [ All_That_Glitters | Pretty_Town_Contest | Other_AoK_Designs | AoE_Designs ]
    Member of Stormwind Studios
    posted 05-10-09 09:15 AM CT (US)     36 / 680  
    Hook your an idiot

    "Banned is a beautiful, beautiful man. Visit BfME2H, EEH, or DoFH if you want to see more of this wonder." - Blatant
    "I'VE ABANDONED MY CHILD" - Ashrzr defending himself from paedophile charges.

    Scenario designer for Empire Earth and Empire Creations
    1st July 1916, The Somme (4.6), The Long Road to France (4.8) and A Place Called Waterloo (4.8)
    President of EEH, alongside Ashrzr (FILM DUDE!)
    posted 05-10-09 09:18 AM CT (US)     37 / 680  
    Who said I was a tracker? I'm not.

    And, actually, I think I should RC now, because my role will rather blow up in my face later and will be impossible to believe if I don't do so now...

    4:45 PM - Papaya: can I say that I want to put a ****ing knife in his throat and then take it back

    If you don't like it here, we're not making you stay, so please, feel free to leave so Hook and I can make love to each other in peace.~ Shanks
    posted 05-10-09 09:18 AM CT (US)     38 / 680  
    Hook, you're an idiot
    Indeed I am.

    4:45 PM - Papaya: can I say that I want to put a ****ing knife in his throat and then take it back

    If you don't like it here, we're not making you stay, so please, feel free to leave so Hook and I can make love to each other in peace.~ Shanks
    posted 05-10-09 09:19 AM CT (US)     39 / 680  
    That might be best. If you're not a Tracker you presumably have some sort of new role.

    1010011010
    [ All_That_Glitters | Pretty_Town_Contest | Other_AoK_Designs | AoE_Designs ]
    Member of Stormwind Studios
    posted 05-10-09 09:24 AM CT (US)     40 / 680  
    Aight. I am Sammy Jankins. Flavor text aside, I am an insane one-shot jack of all trades. I have the following one shot abilities: one-shot watcher, one-shot roleblock, one-shot thief, one-shot kill, and one-shot bus driver. I used the watcher last night, and got Brighty, and I saw that he was targetted by Rot.

    As you can see, everything else except the thief is completely useless, as it's dramatically more likely to effect the town that anything else.

    4:45 PM - Papaya: can I say that I want to put a ****ing knife in his throat and then take it back

    If you don't like it here, we're not making you stay, so please, feel free to leave so Hook and I can make love to each other in peace.~ Shanks
    posted 05-10-09 09:30 AM CT (US)     41 / 680  
    What's an insane Jack of All Trades? Can you ask whether the mod can give you more info on what that means?

    1010011010
    [ All_That_Glitters | Pretty_Town_Contest | Other_AoK_Designs | AoE_Designs ]
    Member of Stormwind Studios
    posted 05-10-09 09:34 AM CT (US)     42 / 680  
    It means that I cannot choose my target. I just send in "Watcher", for example, and he targets a random person.

    4:45 PM - Papaya: can I say that I want to put a ****ing knife in his throat and then take it back

    If you don't like it here, we're not making you stay, so please, feel free to leave so Hook and I can make love to each other in peace.~ Shanks
    posted 05-10-09 11:37 AM CT (US)     43 / 680  
    Unusual. Well don't use the Bus Driver ability at any point. The last thing the town needs is two random people being swapped.

    I've just seen the film (excellent by the way, I recommend watching it rather than wiki-ing it), which has informed me somewhat.

    There are a few possibilities for who may be scum though. Although I guess Leonard has some sort of killing role, probably via some mechanic or other. It may for example be random, which would explain the choice of Catabre. Alternatively, it may not be decided by him, as his character gets manipulated in the film. Another possibility is that Leonard's role is similar to Hook's, as the characters have the same condition.

    1010011010
    [ All_That_Glitters | Pretty_Town_Contest | Other_AoK_Designs | AoE_Designs ]
    Member of Stormwind Studios
    posted 05-10-09 11:57 AM CT (US)     44 / 680  
    I know what Rot's role is now.
    But, no need to tell you guys.
    Unvote
    Jesus, is
    that guy aiming his gun at me? Shit! Get in the alley, Leonard...
    (Watch the film guys, I think Rot is Leonard, and therefore a serial killer/lyncher)
    Duh? Of course he's not a serial killer.
    Vote:A Banned User
    There are a few possibilities for who may be scum though. Although I guess Leonard has some sort of killing role, probably via some mechanic or other. It may for example be random, which would explain the choice of Catabre.
    Has no one read the flavored text?
    posted 05-10-09 12:18 PM CT (US)     45 / 680  
    've just seen the film (excellent by the way, I recommend watching it rather than wiki-ing it), which has informed me somewhat.
    Thank god somebody else has. I assume you understood the ending, and are now with me when assuming Leanords role won't be helpful to town.
    Duh? Of course he's not a serial killer.
    Vote:A Banned User
    Oh dear. Either you haven't watched the film and completely fail to understand what the film is about.

    Or you have watched the film and completely failed to understand the twist at the end.

    Neither would surprise me.

    From the write up:
    Okay, Leonard... where am I going? I'm in a car... a nice one...

    Here's a note: "Tattoo
    parlor, 257 NE 7th St." Didn't know I was one for tattoos. Jesus, is
    that guy aiming his gun at me? Shit! Get in the alley, Leonard... Is
    he following me? ...okay we lost him. Hey get out of the way lady, get out
    of the--Jesus did she want to get killed? Almost hit her back there,
    close one.

    Okay Leonard... where am I going? I'm in a car... a nice one...
    And Brighty where does say that Leanord is not a serial killer or lyncher? If you haven't read the film or read the plot then you must understand, that Leanord will not be the good guy. His mind can't allow him to be. He's a serial killer as he hunts his wifes killer, but then can't remember killing her, so kills another person again, and again.
    At the very least he'll be out to get Teddy killed.

    And for the 'is that guy pointing his gun at me'. This could so easily be self defence from the person, as Leanerd may have attacked him before, then 'woken up' not remembere di, and wondered why he's having a gun point at him. If you see the film you'll understand. Or maybe it's not anything to do with the night actions, i've seen write ups contain no relevance to what happened at night, Ashrzr may well be doing that to show Leanords confusion. As I don't think Ashrzr would be so stupid as to put that, as that more or less then says Cat is Leanord. But looking at Rot, i'm not so sure.

    So please Brighty don't just be as stupid and naive as to throw around votes like that again, like i've seen you do in Hobbit and OotS.

    "Banned is a beautiful, beautiful man. Visit BfME2H, EEH, or DoFH if you want to see more of this wonder." - Blatant
    "I'VE ABANDONED MY CHILD" - Ashrzr defending himself from paedophile charges.

    Scenario designer for Empire Earth and Empire Creations
    1st July 1916, The Somme (4.6), The Long Road to France (4.8) and A Place Called Waterloo (4.8)
    President of EEH, alongside Ashrzr (FILM DUDE!)
    posted 05-10-09 12:30 PM CT (US)     46 / 680  
    A few minutes later, Teddy (Joe Pantoliano) arrives at the abandoned building, and Leonard discovers he has been tricked. Jimmy Grantz was a local drug dealer and was not involved in his wife's murder. After Teddy exclaims "So you lie to yourself to be happy. Nothing wrong with that. We all do it.", he reveals the truth: Leonard conditioned himself to integrate the Sammy Jankis story (who was actually a fraud with no wife) with his story (Leonard's wife survived the attack, had diabetes and died when she made Leonard give her an insulin overdose). Teddy is revealed to be the detective that took pity on him and helped Leonard hunt down and kill the real John G. over a year ago. To Teddy's surprise, Leonard forgot and continued his search. Teddy admits that he manipulated Leonard into killing Jimmy and set up a fake drug deal to steal Jimmy's money and split it with him. Attempting to convince Leonard, Teddy reveals that they have been tracking different "John G."'s in various towns for months and that Teddy himself is also a "John G.", his real being John E. Gammell.

    Leonard is at first distraught, but soon realizes that revenge was his only reason to live and so provides himself a new John G. to kill: Teddy. Leonard burns the photo evidence of the real John G. and Jimmy Grants' deaths and instead writes the "DON'T BELIEVE HIS LIES" note on the back of Teddy's photo. He also writes down Teddy's license plate number, all to set up Teddy's murder. Leonard leaves in Jimmy's car and ponders whether or not what he is doing is fair. He convinces himself it is before stopping at the tattoo parlor. Leonard has already forgotten what he has done.
    For those still unsure please just read that. Once you've got it into your heads that the twist is the main character is actually bad. His wife didn't die from the attack she survived, but when his wife uses Leonard to commit suicide, the last thing Leonard can remember is the attack, so he believes his wife to have been killed in it. With Teddys help goes after her 'murderer'. Kills her supposed attacker, but he doesn't remember this, so he keeps killing people who he believes is his wife’s murderer, and one of these victims is Teddy, who he sets his minds up to make it believe that Teddy killed his wife. So he will kill him. Despite Teddy being innocent and the good guy.

    That is why Leonard will be a serial killer or lyncher. So now can you please unvote me Brighty, before we delve into the realms of complete idiocy.

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    posted 05-10-09 12:34 PM CT (US)     47 / 680  
    Wait, Teddy wasn't a good guy. He is corrupt and manipulative.

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    posted 05-10-09 12:40 PM CT (US)     48 / 680  
    Ah, I got it.
    Unvote
    So please Brighty don't just be as stupid and naive as to throw around votes like that again, like i've seen you do in Hobbit and OotS.
    This was unnecessary.
    posted 05-10-09 12:45 PM CT (US)     49 / 680  
    Wait, Teddy wasn't a good guy. He is corrupt and manipulative.
    Just when I thought we were getting somewhere.

    Teddy was a good guy. He never killed Leonard’s wife. He took pity on Leonard despite knowing that his wife wasn't actually killed by the attacker. He spent two years going to various places with Leonard, helping him track down the real John G, and then others after Leonard couldn't remember doing it, sure in the end he used Leanards condition to try and get rich with him, but at the end of the day Teddy was Leanards only real friend, and Leonard killed him because of that, and the only one he could really trust. I mean that Natalie she took complete advantage over Leanords condition as well, by trying to get him to kill somebody for her by using his condition to maipulate things. But I bet she's town as well. Teddy could have simply left Leonard whenever he wanted to, but he stuck it out with him, and as you can see must have gone through some pain and suffering because of it.

    This is becoming rather frustrating
    This was unnecessary.
    Yeah sorry about that i'm getting slightly annoyed!

    "Banned is a beautiful, beautiful man. Visit BfME2H, EEH, or DoFH if you want to see more of this wonder." - Blatant
    "I'VE ABANDONED MY CHILD" - Ashrzr defending himself from paedophile charges.

    Scenario designer for Empire Earth and Empire Creations
    1st July 1916, The Somme (4.6), The Long Road to France (4.8) and A Place Called Waterloo (4.8)
    President of EEH, alongside Ashrzr (FILM DUDE!)
    posted 05-10-09 12:52 PM CT (US)     50 / 680  
    Let me lay this out nice and clear for you to understand okay Julius.

    The whole point of the film was showing how everyone took advantage and manipulated Leonard’s situation for their own benefit:

    Natalie - To get somebody killed.
    Teddy - To get some money, and split it with Leonard.
    The hotel person - Made Leonard buy 2 rooms for more money and hinted he was going to make him buy a third.
    Sammy Jenkins - Said theres no way Leonard should not be able to make new memories, so his wife wouldn't get government money, and every time she went back pleading., Sammy was called in to investigate and got more money.

    But most importantly.

    Leonard manipulates his own mind to kill his one true friend for the sake of lying to himself and giving himself a purpose in life.

    This making more sense?

    "Banned is a beautiful, beautiful man. Visit BfME2H, EEH, or DoFH if you want to see more of this wonder." - Blatant
    "I'VE ABANDONED MY CHILD" - Ashrzr defending himself from paedophile charges.

    Scenario designer for Empire Earth and Empire Creations
    1st July 1916, The Somme (4.6), The Long Road to France (4.8) and A Place Called Waterloo (4.8)
    President of EEH, alongside Ashrzr (FILM DUDE!)
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