Can we have pics of these "20 never seen before unit" ?

[This message has been edited by da hobo (edited 06-08-2004 @ 07:27 PM).]

If these are units found using GeniEd, don't bother. We can all get those.

So it begins.

The start of the GeniEd inspired newbie scenarios.

Before the Fortified Walls and Keeps with 5 Longbowmen garrisoned inside, not to mention the Gates of AOKH the bloodiest battle in the history of HG will be fought.

The battle against the Dark Side (well, it does support SWGB) of GeniEd.

And as Henry V said in the ES Agincourt scenario, and the Shakespeare play, and numerous books, presumably in real life too...

"The fewer the men, the greater share of honor/honour"

I tink I may have gone too far.

[This message has been edited by GaladhrimWarrior (edited 06-09-2004 @ 03:34 AM).]

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Sigged.

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Nah, he never actually said that. It's like the Richard III horse thing, he never said it, cause he was probably too busy being stabbed by 6 or 7 peasant swordsmen.

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ditto for me too.

And I'm making a template that has a water picture of scrappy doo. It's get put in best of the blacksmith :rolleyes:

*laughs*

That is priceless, GaladhrimWarrior.

Heh.

I should make a scen. out of it!

(sorry 'bout the double post)

Okay. Here we go. I spent a whole 20 minutes thinking up a little speech before the battle.

It is now my siggy.

I PROMISE I'll stop now.

[This message has been edited by GaladhrimWarrior (edited 06-09-2004 @ 07:14 AM).]

*Ponders joining ranks*

*pulls his rusty sword from the stable haystack*

TO ARMS!

SPAM!

(A cheap knock-off of Aragorn's war cry from the movie)

"A day may come when the faith of Forumers fail; but it is not this day! This day,

We fight!

Angels,
Seraphs,

My Brothers!"

[This message has been edited by Endoras_the_Elf (edited 06-09-2004 @ 06:57 PM).]

*Uses Battle Horn from Marko's Campaign*
*Draws a Masamune from somewhere*

"If we're destined to die, die with honour"
Pour le AOKH!!

*clears throat*

Welcome to Scenario Design Mathipoux!

-And thanks for posting too...forgive us our humor too as we believe we already have accessed the units mentioned.

"We come to it at last. The Great Battle of our time!"
"Whatever betide you, this will be the end of Gondor AoKH as you know it."

this is off topic, yet somewhat vital.

Please, smokingfrog2, change your location to something original. Emma Watson is my Location...and it cannot be taken...

[This message has been edited by Endoras_the_Elf (edited 06-11-2004 @ 12:33 PM).]

A noobie with GeniEd is like an infant with gasoline.

I knew it was gonna come to this. I knew it from the day I saw the first post about it, and when I saw a mamluke with 12 range and arbs shooting scorp bolts, I knew that the end had started.

the apocalypse is upon us.

I still say GeniEd is the death of traditional AoK Scenario Designing--you know, the way we all know it.

We have to unite and put a stop to this perilous scourge.

*Pulls out axe*

FOR AoKH!

*charges*

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That's what I said in the "Stats Problem" thread in the modpack forum.

Well not everybody that will have this software in there hand going to make such crazy thing... so dont say its the apocalypse becaus i don't think it is. Oh and by the way i started to create my own units i want to create my own mod .

If you want to make an announcement on a modpack conversion project, go here. That's the Mod Forum.

*watches as Darck is cut down by a scorpion with 50 range and 1000 attack*

See fellas, this is what happens when you're the only person charging at an army of superhuman siege weapons!

*sighs*

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He should use the invincible effect on himself before charging onto those monstrous weapons.

[This message has been edited by scenario_t_c (edited 06-12-2004 @ 00:02 AM).]

Or else give himself high pierce armor

*Uses own less than respawn trick to rise from the dead, this time with 50,000 attack and invincebility*

I TEH SUPER UNIT! LOLOLOL!

No need to sing the swan song of AoK design again. If I understand the functions of GenieEd correctly, things such as altered stats or different missiles only work if people also download and use a changed dat file.

Not many people will go through the hassle and have their dat file replaced for every scenario they download. Also, they would need to change the dat file anytime they choose to play a different scenario/campaign. If they just played scenario X with the patched dat file X, they would need to change that dat file to patched dat file Y again if they play scenario Y. And then, if they have played scenario Y, and somehow feel they want to try scenario X again, they'd also have to change their dat file for that scenario again...

Even if you have the nerve to do that (I don't), it is easy to get confused - because one patched dat file just looks like the other. So "abusing" GenieEd for mamelukes which fire 50 range firebolts may be possible, but the effort to install such scenarios is probably just too big, and too restrictive for players to really consider it.

Take away that, and the remaining functions of GenieEd are quite useful: You can create and detect hidden units with triggers now, which gives designers some nice extra possibilities. If I got Berserker right in his other post, those triggers will also work if other people play it on their computers, without changing their dat file.

Ingo

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They don't. Unlike modpacks, altered .dat files are automatically transfered to people downloading the campaigns, but only take effect in that particular scenario. Ykkrosh took particular care with this aspect, understanding that people may not like having to swap critical files around just to play a scenario.

Ingo, I think these people are carrying this whole thing a bit too far, but there is a possibility for abuse in GeniEd. We'd start to see the campaign section get flooded with cheap RPGs with absurd unit stats. There is a possibility for "too much of a good thing". Also, GeniEd hasn't been tested to its greatest extent, and some people I know have complained about how it sometimes causes harm to crucial files.

And there is also the possibility that the easy-to-use stat modification program will raised public expectations of a good campaign to "include" stat editing. Worse, we might start to see reviews knocking off points because of aspects they deem could have better been done with GeniEd. "The such-and-such part looked dumb, you should have used GeniEd to do yadda yadda." Unheard of!

Ah well. *Turns himself into a Cobra Car that fires Siege Onager shots*

Quoted from Lord Fadawah:

This is interesting news, because I understood exactly the opposite from some forum discussions. Anyhow, this would make GeniEd an even more powerful program. I would prefer to look at the positive side of it: It gives new possibilities to designers. How about language dll changes? Will it be possible to give one particular type of unit (e.g. hero Tamerlane) a different name throughout a campaign, without other people actually downloading the language dll? Then we would suddenly be able to create renamed units in-game, and downloaders would not have the fuss of replacing dlls. It would be great if either you or anyone else could shed some light on this, I'm not really familiar with GeniEd.

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I do see your point, but all powerful editor devices may be and have been mis-used. Ridiculous unit stats have already been done with the TC editor, but I'm quite happy the TC editor does allow to alter stats... On the other hand, if crucial files may be harmed, this is a different matter. Did this only affect users who run the GeniEd program on their computer, or also people who just download scenarios that were done with GeniEd?

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Yeah... and then the reviewer would find a friendly email from the review moderating team in his inbox, which asks him not to do it.

From what I've seen, the GeniEd glass is half full and not half empty.

Ingo

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So you are saying that if I make a scenario with altered stats on units, then these altered units remain in the scenario, and stay the same on a machine without the altered .dat file?

Triggers with hidden units work on other machines without the altered files because the information is already in the standard .dat file, just hidden. But if you alter a units stats, IE an archer that shoots bolts, then this will only work on a machine with the edited .dat file. Unless I'm missing something.

[This message has been edited by Berserker Jerker (edited 06-12-2004 @ 02:34 PM).]

I think he only meant the fact that hidden units are "unhiddened" on the object list, BJ. Since this only affect the designing process, playing the scenario will have no problem about this.

[This message has been edited by scenario_t_c (edited 06-12-2004 @ 02:31 PM).]

Yeah you must be right t_c, but Quote: Unlike modpacks, altered .dat files are automatically transfered to people downloading the campaigns, but only take effect in that particular scenario this implies the altered data is saved along with the scenario data from the editor, now I know this is not true.

Although such information won't be saved along with a scenario file, I wonder what will happen on a saved game (watching one). Can we still see a solider throwing fire ball in it?

*test

...Really? It seems I've been misinformed.

T_C, I think you would need to install a .dat file. Since recorded games are just files with instructions on what to do in them, it doesn't seem likely that they would run without the modified file. After all, games recorded with 1.0c are not compatible with older versions, and vice versa.