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Boars have 340 food. That's as far as I read, sorry.

Qaz: Thanks, had missed that. Fixed now.

[This message has been edited by Qazitory (edited 11-29-2004 @ 06:07 PM).]

Nice collection - very helpful. By the way, wasn't there a nice article at MFO about what goes through the mind of a 1800 or something? That was really useful for me. Maybe you should add it.

An Arabian Thought Process from an 1800's head is the one he's talking about (I think). It's pretty good, I've read it like 10+ times.

Yes, that is what I was talking about.

Some of Winston's tip are pretty good too

OMG for a moment I thought that you erased all the posts. -_^

Maybe you should also have links to some recorded games.

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That'd be a whole new post, probably the length of this. I'll take it into consideration, though.

I've been considering doing something like that. It would be a post linking to example recorded games for specific points (for example, if someone wants to see how a Drush>FC can be effective or wants a good example of a Persian Fire FC as pocket on Team Islands, etc.).

However, there are 3 main problems:
1. It would take a LOT of work.
2. Unfortunately, there is no longer a single site that one could find these things on anymore. BsK is a clan site now and a lot of the recs they once had are, I believe, no longer available for download.
3. Sites die or change their addresses, so the links would have to be updated constantly.

The other major problem is the question of WHO would benefit. Many of our forumers who need to see expert recs the most for some reason refuse to even listen when others tell them to. Others may watch a few, but the amount of work involved in finding a large amount of recs would not (imho) be worth the potential gain from it.

I would, however, like to create a post where people can post links to recs (their own or those of others) and discuss them. Unfortunately, I don't have the time right now to review them and I don't know if anyone else would either. Possibly in a couple of months, though.

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cutthroatskunk posted some good mayan drush record recently, maybe u could link to those?

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Thanks for calling them good...but they're basically rook-grook games. Not worthy of being examples. I wish bskzone still had it's mozart game pack - that would be ideal. Maybe they'll get it back. If so, use that.

Mozart drush is a strategy of its own in my opinion, could devote a section in the guide just for that. Don't worry, drush records aren't hard to find - I'll add them once I have the time. However, it's drush articles I'm more interested of.

http://www.gof.f2s.com/rokmain.htm
If you don't already have that one, it's a great guide for a starting player. I read it through several times when I was first learning. It gives you concrete things to practice and explains everything in a way that anyone could understand. It was written for the uber-newbie by someone who realized that all guides for "newbies" were written by experts and were a bit too hard to understand.

It's basically a halfway point between what many newbies would think to do (wall in, go to Imp and make lots of pretty UUs) and what you "should" do. It tells you things like use correct strats, always record your game, the computer sucks, focus on econ, use counters, make multiple buildings, etc. But it doesn't just say "do it" it explains why in a way that someone who likes walling up and making 50 longbows can understand.

While some of its links may no longer work, it's really a great resource for a starting player, especially when combined with this post. (I.e., while some links may no longer work, if it says, "Read this article on Fast Castling," someone can look on here for "Fast Castle" and find some good posts.

Sorry if I sound over-enthusiastic about it, but I found it extremely helpful when I was first trying to learn to play "correctly."

[This message has been edited by Gordon (edited 12-07-2004 @ 10:50 AM).]

You aren't being over enthusastic - that article is a must. That was the first online article I ever read, and it lead me from being a newbie (who thought I was an expert cause I beat the comp) to being a brook online. It helped loads.

we need more articles for the knight rush...any ideas?

What would be included? Knight rush is sorta situation specific. You usually do it as pocket, so what you do totally depends on what your allies are doing. If both sides are losing, you need to defend them well and focus mostly on military. If both are winning, you can boom like a psycho. Obviously, it's even more situational than that.

All you can really put in an article is an FC build that will give you a lot of food and gold with 2 stables and a 16 min Castle. Slaghter's Persian one is good. There are plenty of others out there.

For example (from a random kkab game):
Mongol FC
1-6 sheep
7-10 LC
Loom
11 Boar
12 House, Berries
13-14 Berries
15 boar 2
16 Berries
17 food
18 LC
19-22 food
4 farms
23 2nd LC
24 gold
send 4 vils to deer mill when possible
25-26 (or 27) gold
up
have 11 on wood
make rax

Feudal:
stable, smith
2 vils to gold

make 3 farms
get wood, mill up, bloodlines
make 2nd stable

bow saw and 2nd TC and knights on Castle
send vils to wood, make farms

wheebarrow around 21mins

But I've tried that and sometimes it works perfectly and sometimes you don't have enough wood for the 2nd TC, or maybe not enough to go Castle as fast, or maybe you only have 3 deer so you don't have enough food&wood to do it right. And that all ignores the whole ally thing I mentioned earlier. >_<

FC is a strat that I can't do for sh|t on arabia. I think that because I play too much LN/Nomad which you very often FC and which have totally different FC (mainly because food is more available), I always end up with only 600 food on arab when my buildings are done, and it takes like 1:30 to get up to 800 while keeping vils coming out.

PS: Hmmm, deer mill, that might be worth trying.

[This message has been edited by petard_rusher (edited 12-14-2004 @ 08:49 PM).]

you cant do a fast castle without deer mill,petard.and just when did you come back from the dead and play aok? i would be playing now,but i am drowning in schoolwork.....

Well I can, it just involves 3 more farms and being a minute and a half late .

I came back from the dead 2 weeks ago . And now that I'm done with school I can really ramp up my game playing .

The AoK Report Card---Gives you a basic idea of where the civs stand compared to one another.

...? could this be any helpful to a newbie?

[This message has been edited by DDRMAX2 (edited 12-18-2004 @ 03:23 PM).]

Hey Qaz, Mind if I post this up on my website? (I'll give full credit.)

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I have actually seen a lot of players that FC without Milling the Deer. Instead of spending the 100 wood on that Mill, you can get almost two Farms. Basically, make more Farms in advance during Dark, and you should be able to FC without having to get Deer at all (assuming that you have eight Sheep and two Boar).

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I wouldn't recommend that for new players since it's not really a good civ overview. It ranks civs based on their tech trees, not on how effective certain civs are with certain units. Huns get a B+ on cavarly despite having every upgrade and 20% faster stables because they don't have camels. I would rather have 20% faster stables than camels... since then I can make more knights that actually are useful except as counters. It also ignores econ bonuses that make certain units more valuable.

And yes, even a stupid rook like me can do a decent 16:xx FC with 2 stable knight rush with a non-bonused civ and not milling deer. (Kinda useless since most non-bonused civs have lousy knights, of course.) Sometimes I won't even try milling them if I'm not Mongols and there are only 3 and they're not really too close. They're easy prey for one of the wings' scouts (if they go with a stable).

[This message has been edited by Gordon (edited 12-23-2004 @ 08:54 PM).]

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Why? Now seriously, is there anyone that even knows about your site that isn't from AoKH?

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I was going to say the same thing, I never mill deer(when I have 8 sheep and 2 boars) for an FC. I normally just have extra farms and sometimes I put a fourth vill on berries for a bit.

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Yeah with the credit it's okay... also give a link to the actual post as well here at AoKH.

Report cards are a bit tricky... Although they're somewhat based on facts, certain pluses and minuses just don't add up. Camels being one issue among others.