A problem though. Heroes with resurgance resurge infinitely. Some heroes can get resurgance ability. Worst, at least one starts with resurgance. Its bad enough that the resurgance enchantment has the same effect on heroes (being unlimited) As well as items and a couple do have it. I guess those are mostly heavy guard items but not always.

Can't wait to see those dwiggs multiplayer maps they are cooking up. Hope at least one has both UG & shadow world.

What will we do now that afaik stranger won't be improving dwiggs any more? As great as it is there is room for improvement(always will be probably) Somebody mentioned something about setting up a committee or something like that for it but I don't know alot more except that strangers undecided or something about it.

[This message has been edited by TruePurple (edited 10-23-2006 @ 08:23 PM).]

Let's wait at least 45 days before we go off half-cocked on more tinkering.

For one thing, let us publish a few Dwiggs maps that we are working on even as I write this. You can not judge the mod by how it plays on maps built under different parameters.

For another, let's all of us play it a number of times as different races with different racial mixtures as opponents.

I recognize that we all have our favorite race (or races) that we prefer to play. As such, any tinkering is always suspect when it affects a race that is near and dear to our heart. But, before we condemn something, we need to test it out thoroughly.

BITD, when I was in the game business, we playtested extensively--as much as we could possibly afford. We had as many playtesters involved as we could, and we generally knew at least a little about each one: their likes, dislikes, pet peeves and personal biases.

We collected as much feedback as possible and only then analyzed all of it an decided what tinkering was justified. We have the distinct luxury of having no financial pressure on us at all, unlike the companies that produce the original games and must keep publishing new product to stay alive financially.

IMHO, AoW:SM is one of the very best TBS fantasy games ever produced, all of its memory leak problems notwithstanding. Computer game players have the distinct luxury of being able to mod games, unlike players of boardgames or RPGs who can not do the equivalent without a very substantial financial investment.

Let us not rush to judgement on Dwiggs until we have thoroughly tried it out and given all its permutations careful scrutiny.

(Keep in mind that I have had extremely little to do with the actual modding; all I have done is write a bunch of unit descriptions and hero bios. Therefore, I have no personal ego invested in this mod.)

Stranger and I are working on several maps at this time; I am painting/writing/designing them, he is editing/modifying them and crafting the events that I have worked into the scripts. This is something that I have no small amount of experience at; AoW maps are just D&D modules in a different guise. Give us a chance to show you just how well Dwiggs can play (or not) before we rush to judgement.

If around the 1st of December we have enough consensus, then we can establish a committee and begin tinkering anew, in earnest.

Today's free advice:
Do Not Meddle in the affairs of Dragons…
For you are crunchy and good with Ketchup.

[This message has been edited by Munataros (edited 10-27-2006 @ 02:35 AM).]

*thread closed*

(Let me know TP, if you want to open it. It seems to me the thread is redundant now ).

-> Reopened upon request.

[This message has been edited by swolte (edited 10-28-2006 @ 11:37 PM).]

It makes it easier to find content related to dwiggs 1.4 patch. Doesn't anyone appreciate that? Threads aren't ever deleted right? So one can always go there if the want to read about dwiggs 3.0 or something.

or at least a list of all the changes dwiggs mod has made!?

Thanx! =D

A documention should have come with the install and is probably in your main directory. I believe Timelord made a very nice Excell sheet for it.

5 fire cats, a engineer, 1-2 heroes, 5 catapults, 1-2 other units

"but the cats(catapults) alone were enough"

I've seen hurl boulder hit suprisingly alot in dwiggs.. taking out full health salamanders in one hit. Perhaps a reduction in attack from 3 to 1.. dwiggs units have low def.

But for sure such basic machine structures should lose some HP. Currently its ballista 16, catapults 18, and cannons 20. How about 8, 9, and 12? These should be very vulnerable items. Or perhaps a less a reduction of health but a defense & resist of 1 since they can't dodge out of the way of an attack 4 def for cannon. With these powerful defensive items weaker.. Dwiggs can become more offensive and a bit quicker..

Medium range maybe shouldn't be able to reach attacking units at their starting location. (can't remember if it does or not currently)

Goblins beetle riders are too weak for level 3's. Too comparable in strength to archons level 1 crusader. They deserve more health, from 16hp to 20 or 22. Along perhaps with a little extra damage. 16hp is that of a supposedly flimsy ballista. Wyvern Riders could be 40mp to make them more worth building and you'd figure a wyvern with such a small rider could move quickly.

[This message has been edited by TruePurple (edited 11-11-2006 @ 01:58 AM).]

they got hurl firebomb with markmanship this ability is crazy vs low lvls and low hp.

alone in 1.3 i killed easily several reapaers with catapults even though they had pass wall the accuracy was too high so they seemed to hit each time and you can move "cats" far away.

this can be exploited in bad ways if you are really looking forward to it.

[This message has been edited by TruePurple (edited 11-11-2006 @ 02:03 AM).]

[This message has been edited by Air_warlord (edited 11-11-2006 @ 06:40 AM).]

Is it possible to make map structures other then nodes give mana? Maybe instead of a few structures that give 50, others giving half that.. we could more even it out. Why? Because AoW RMG sucks.

Just some thoughts.

[This message has been edited by TruePurple (edited 11-30-2006 @ 00:20 AM).]

Now for a problem I thought I'd mention - After installing, I reset to the "default" v1.4 resources and played a saved turn for a game I'm playing under normal resources (fortunately not a pbem). Now, it looks like some of the resources have been replaced. For example, Sanctum is now Cult of Storms and there is a "Purger" in another wizard's spellbook (I think replacing the Magic Servant (or maybe fairy)). Also, some AI attacked an unexplored critters den which should have had an AI block on it, and after the battle the den disappeared.

I will reinstall the v1.4 resources to see if that clears things up, but I wonder if anyone else has had similar issues.

Again, great work to Stranger et al on the mod

EDIT: Reinstall of v1.4 resources seems to have cleared things up.

EDIT 2: Forget what I said about the Critters Den - it was a resource pile (checked a previous save) which would explain why it disappeared

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[This message has been edited by Edelward (edited 12-05-2006 @ 04:20 PM).]

Just to name a few things.. Not sure if theres a file that lists all the changes or not.

[This message has been edited by Edelward (edited 12-06-2006 @ 02:15 PM).]

Air elementals can't beat bone dragons true. They both have physical protection but bone dragon can bypass airs, not visa versa (unless enchantments) Plus death strike gives death weakness especially with AE's lower resist, which of course causes even more damage.

On the other hand against archers on a wall whirlwind can blow them off the wall etc. Bone dragons can't do that. It would have to blow at least twice to kill most archers.(or more) Meanwhile they shoot. The point being that AE's are better against other units rather then BD against AE, which is not the best comparison (unenchanted at least)

Air elementals also are better overland scouts with vision 2. BD's only have vis one, but with nightvision they make better UG scouts. But its more nominal with UG being cramped in many (but not all) spots with RMG.

And of course BD's have holy weakness. Shooting star and holy bolts destroy them fast.

More HP would be thematically all wrong with AE, but more def would make sense for them.(hard to hit air) If its needed. Or slighly slower BD's

[This message has been edited by TruePurple (edited 01-22-2007 @ 03:21 PM).]

It is very buggy if used by your wizard, DarkMystery/tirasleen used it on a wizard and trashed a game we were in. Admittedly he should have made a save before hand in case it caused problems (and since it uses up the hero it does make sense it might be glitchy when used by a wizard) And not everyone is going to make such a newbie mistake. Regardless it should warn people of such a risk or not have such a function.

[This message has been edited by TruePurple (edited 01-24-2007 @ 00:00 AM).]

don't bug down the game with useless items, i'd say, no one can forsee that this item would permanently destroy a save. and i said beforehand. it might either crash the game or send my wizard to void.

dwiggs one of the buggiest mods i ever played, yes it has a lot of content but its not properly tested. Stranger can't balance it all, its not a project like a big patch. you have to keep this in mind, TP.

[This message has been edited by DarkMystery (edited 01-24-2007 @ 08:44 AM).]

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No balance changes in the pipeline though...

I mean if this was a horse race I'd bet every dollar I had on that one-that it would not work at all where nothing happens or much more likely, cause some serious problems. I mean seriously, did you think your wizard would have been able to just go around plopping down cities? Why didn't you save before testing this or ask host to save?

Besides a few wizards without graphics (maybe a hero or two) and a few missing animations on units what are these dwigg bugs you guys refer to? I haven't found any that I can think of.

The item is not useless, mountaineering tunneling and build road all have use in the right situation/on the right map. Even build outpost isn't completely worthless, granted its not for everyone to use up a hero, even if its a extremely unhappy sucky hero. (dont forget, if you use up a hero you can get another if it puts you under 5)

Not every item needs to be awesome, we need ordinary common items too. And it doesnt take up any of the body slots so no drawback on having it.

[This message has been edited by TruePurple (edited 01-25-2007 @ 01:04 AM).]