As I've never been on ESO, have people already copied my soccer scn?

On topic again, who actually cares Auron, these people are complete losers who are not even capable of making a scn during their PC life, they're even so pathetic that they have to recieve credits or praises from other nerds to increase their self-estimation. Ridiculous. IMO, one shouldn't care about these sort of people, but rather laugh while watching someone getting satisfied through these means...

[This message has been edited by AoMPlayer000 (edited 08-14-2004 @ 05:08 PM).]

hmm, i dont know....i only visit ESO about 2 every month.....i mostly do so my account rating with HD_Evil666 doesnt get canceled. and i've really forgot to test out your scenario. i'll do it tomorrow that is sunday

Yay, I thought you wouldn't like to. What's your right of course.

http://aom.heavengames.com/cgi-bin/forums/display.cgi?action=ct&f=13,17933,,all

Can someone explain me those XS codes a bit more. How to add them?

it wouldnt be much use archer, since those XS codes have to be use in one of the new triggers at the download section. people can easily get through triggers...

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can you explain this more further aomplayer? i dont think AoMed can open or create .BAR files......

It can open them for sure, but it can't create them... They're like *.zip files, except that AoM can read the files in them... But, as I said, I don't think there's a "WinBar" or sth ... You had to ask ES' for this archive program.

Or there is you put in your MP that they have to talk to you first before the can change your Mp, that what I did with on of my MP and only one person changed it.

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haha, sorry. but thats funny

in my map, i put "hyrule nomadv3, a merlord studios project, editing this scneario is forbittten, made by auron_2, proud member of merlord studios" and people still edit it. so this wouldnt help.

It's strange that Heaven has no policy on this. I mean, stealing should be subject to banning and deletion of the work from the archive. We do this for flaming and cheating, why not for stealing scenarios? Maybe add the line, "Most ripped off scenarios" in your sig?

I am no legal expert but as far as I know you can copyright your AOM projects. While the AOM license agreement does not allow you to sell the work, in North America, all original work, as long as it's documented in some tangible, non-abstract form (such as writing it down, making a scenario, recording it) automatically makes it copyright material. Copyright means just that, the right to copy it. And you don't even need the little (c) symbol but the work should have the line:

(c)xxx(date) by YYY (author)All rights reserved and protected by law, no part of this project may be reproduced without express written consent by the author.

The only problem is enforcement. Unfortunately copyright laws make the author incumbent to find the violator and take action- that is it is not a criminal offense but a civil issue. Best you can do is ask the violator to cease and desist. Failing that you would have to sue them. While proving damages is about impossible, it may at least scare the thief.

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wtf?

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haha, you cracking right? i wouldnt go to those extremes for an scenario, and i think no one would. and no one would fall for that.

i think somewhere on aom, it says that all scenarios made with the editor are automatically property of microsoft, and copyrighted by microsoft, eventhough you make them, now aint that a rip off?

[This message has been edited by auron 2 (edited 08-14-2004 @ 06:07 PM).]

Well they write all kinds of stuff in their license agreement half of which would never stand up.

I'm not saying you go to court or anything dude, but a stern email warning to the thief may be all you need. Only reason I even mentioned it was since I have done it before. Not in AOM, but in the some of the film work I've done. Guess what happened? In both cases the unauthorized user wrote me an apology, I got a nice cheque, and finally got credit on the new work, all from a single letter!

What about the Heaven suggestion, maybe ask the mods to review the case and ban/remove from the dbase the unauthorized work?

The sig thing, maybe rephrase it to:

"Designer of the most ripped-off maps".

I dunno dude, just trying to have fun with an unfortunate circumstance. Just trying to be helpful and supportive.

The editing thing happend to my games all the time at the zone. At first I got really pissed about it...the more because a lot of games where messed up and totally unbalanced after some n00bs had edited them and guys came to me screaming you suck etc etc... (some the n00bs where to lazy to skipp my name from the scenario). The thing which really suprised me is that I got NO support at all in the swbgH community as I talked about this issue...and as I started listing the n00bs who edited the games some guys in the community said that I was the one who went too far....very strange

Well in the end only my original scenarios survived and are still downloaded and played nowadays. Just ignore those lamers like Aomplayer said...and as for respect.. well there are just very vew guys and girls who have that nowadays. It looks like this steady trend is becoming the common rule and that to be rude/ disrespectfull and just act like a primitif creature is the way to behave nowadays. I sometimes think that they not simply act like that but that they just have a primitif mind.

You can try to use some tricks (like mentioned below)so your scenarios become uneditable but frankly I think its a waste of your time and energy.....better use it for creating your stuff for us guys who will respect you and your games .

Best regards,
The Vandhaal

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Well Microsofty is one worst of all lol I just mention here : Xerox park and windows concept

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Mabey on the next ES game there should be some sort of password protection to the triggers?
Now i dont now how secure this would be or how easy it is to implement it,but i would of thought it would be the most easy way to get over this problem.

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*agrees*

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that quote looks somehow offensive...

ahahah, i wont go to those extremes tbarak. i made this topic not to complain about my scneario being edited and not to find solutions on how to make an scenario not to be edited, but what happens to most scenarios and some popular RMS when they are played too often on ESO

Hey LJC.....WTF dude? I've made this little poem in your honour.

There once was a guy named LJC,
He promised to review my cine you see,
He said he would rate it and write it up too,
Now get busy and write the damn review.

You can thank me later for your ode. And please make it good. I not only have to fight off that King Jared, now Baron is also giving me a hard time.

Don't make me get nasty and have to re-edit your cine and put my name on it.

I wonder, since "No content or image may be used without express permission." goes for anything put on a website would that make it illegal for some loser to put their name in a scenario?

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Write data file...

But it requires you to make some sort of weird index-like file called default.txt.

It's in every bar file.

Auron, you really need to chill and not worry so much about getting credit. Why do you even care if random people on ESO know who made a scenario? They probably don't give a damn either way.

Am I the only person who designs scenarios because it's fun? Even if it were possible to lock off all the triggers (like it more or less is in AoK), I still would never do it. If you think you can improve one of my scenarios, you're welcome to. And if you can learn something new about design by checking out my triggers, so much the better for the scenario world at large.

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Maybe in the next ES game, they should make two trigger options, 'View Triggers' and a password-protected 'Edit Triggers'.

That way people can learn from them, with being able to edi them.

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This would be a realllll microsofty idea...and you have to buy a microsofty licence to use that password feature in the game...or buy a licence to even start up the editor

No serious Spitfire is right just ignore the lamers and create games for your own fun. Visible triggers is always a good thing for new game designers.

Hey Auron, you still havent reviewed my scenario.

I don't think anyone's tried to pawn off my map as their own though. For one thing, it's too bloody big to upload to anyone on ESO. LMAO...

@Tbarak:lol OK ok....i can see times are getting tough,what with new competition and all.

Ill get reviewing

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no (whats the point otherwise?)

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everyone, that designs does it for fun. what else?

i might be okay if they at least edit my scenario and make it look different. but what really i cant stand is what i mention, which is just downloading my map, and changing the messages that say "made by auron_2" and put their name in there and not at least change anything to the map.

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meh, i'll do it someday. its better to wait and work on a decent review rather than work on a short and quick one.

Usually in the maps that I post in the web I put a simple trigger hidden among the others that repeats who is the author. For example in my helm deep scenario not far from the fortress there is a group of lions and if you kill them will happear a message that says: "Scenario created by..."