There is little reason to doubt maeg, but there is an easy way to prove him. Have him vig instead of a lynch.

If you want EoJ you can block me for the rest of the game, it won't make a difference.

It could be that there are no killers left. However, the Spanish Inquisition mafia is already weaker than the Ni mafia because they have fewer members. In fact, any mafia where the kill is not heritable is going to have an exceptionally difficult time winning. Making them vulnerable to losing their prime weapon (aide from fear, surprise and a ruthless dedication to the pope) makes them far too weak. In addition, your claim about the witch hunter makes little sense. The Head Knight of Ni was identified as such when he achieved his victory condition, even though we'd killed no Knights of Ni so far in the mafia (and thus there was no proof that they existed). I suppose Yeeb could be playing some condition to give them an advantage, but I doubt it. I see little reason to doubt that the witch hunter is anything but what he says he is. And given that utterly unlikely explanation, and that utterly unlikely attempt to shift blame, I think you nicely move into #1 suspect territory.

Confirmation I blocked Thymole.

As Maeg. I've only seen/done mafias where you have a designated killer, but once he goes it shifts to another person.

Plus, witchunter kill of witch had happened on a night with the normal amount of kills. So, what, the mafia had a free second kill if it found the witch, a fairly powerful pro-town role?

Yeah. Nah. Sorry.

Vote: Thymole

The largest reason being that there is no witch hunter in the holy Grail, and an inquisition member is a witch hunter.

Using your logic, I'm not an inquisition member because there is no generic witch hunter, they are all named Cardinals. Also, just because someone hunts witches, doesn't mean they are in the inquisition.

Vote: THYMOLE

Plus, witchunter kill of witch had happened on a night with the normal amount of kills. So, what, the mafia had a free second kill if it found the witch, a fairly powerful pro-town role?

*this didn't happen for the Knight of Ni's condition.

If I were scum, why would I be pressing to lynch a survivor that would make no difference in the actual game! Sneaky squirrel would be a much better target, as he is relatively unproven and makes a difference. Secondly we have at least three townies. It would be better to let me go unblocked for one night just to prove I'm not a killer.

Also, I was telling you all that there were no killers before you said that I was going to be blocked. Not to mention your passin on the kill theory doesn't make sense when the knights of ni don't get it. What is the purpose of a godfather if the kill is passed on?

(isch was a survivor right? I feel like I'm getting my facts wrong)

furthermore. Find me the character known as the witch hunter. It doesn't exist, which makes me believe the name "Witch Hunter" is actually the cardinals role. Mine was lonely girl. Usin the role name as opposed to the name would help conceal the inquisition and prevent them from unfairly being revealed.

Lastly, whoever we decide to lynch (even if it is me) use maeg's vig power instead of the lynch. Just to confirm him.

What exactly is your name and role specifically isch?

Lastly, whoever we decide to lynch (even if it is me) use maeg's vig power instead of the lynch. Just to confirm him.

That's just stupid. Nobody else has claimed responsibility for the Black Knight, so there's no particular doubt that I am what I say I am. No reason to give suspected scum an extra night alive.

If I were scum, why would I be pressing to lynch a survivor that would make no difference in the actual game!

(isch was a survivor right? I feel like I'm getting my facts wrong)

You are. He's claimed pro-town. How many times?

Sneaky squirrel would be a much better target, as he is relatively unproven and makes a difference.

Hm, how does he make a difference? He's a claimed VT. His contribution came when he counter-claimed a scum, and anyone trying to convince the rest of us that he is scum is saying the Historian as a role isn't in it at all, which is kinda facing an uphill battle. Isch has that wee bit more circumstantial evidence against him. So no, Isch is your best shot at getting out.

Also, I was telling you all that there were no killers before you said that I was going to be blocked.

Hm, where?

Not to mention your passin on the kill theory doesn't make sense when the knights of ni don't get it. What is the purpose of a godfather if the kill is passed on?

The purpose of a Godfather isn't to be the sole killer, but to come up innocent under investigation, or even just to be the nominal leader whose responsibility it is to send in actions.
Furthermore, even if we do take your crazy theory, the Head Knight was killed last. Therefore, no opportunity to pass on kill. If the Head Knight was the designated killer, that is, for which we have no evidence.

furthermore. Find me the character known as the witch hunter. It doesn't exist, which makes me believe the name "Witch Hunter" is actually the cardinals role.

Not a named character, no. But if you have a wee gander at the picture used for the witch's death, you'll see the picture of the self-appointed townsman witchunter in the Holy Grail talking to sir whatsit. There, that's a witchunter.

Mine was lonely girl. Usin the role name as opposed to the name would help conceal the inquisition and prevent them from unfairly being revealed.

Interesting, actually. But then the Head Knight of Ni would have followed the pattern- doesn't look like it?

Lastly, whoever we decide to lynch (even if it is me) use maeg's vig power instead of the lynch. Just to confirm him.

No, that's stupid. We do not need to confirm Maeg, we have had Arthur talk about a vig he's knighted whenever he was alive, and he is the only one who's claimed to be him.

I vote we lynch Thymole, because I'm basically convinced that he's the last one. If it's not him, then, well, really I shouldn't care, but I recommend Maeg then goes vigging on Isch, the next biggest suspect, then lynching Sneaky if it still doesn't work, as Maeg and Ensemble are basically confirmed.

1) dammit
2) the second point is completely irrelevant without the first. So double dammit. I'm gonna look back a bit now. Find some quotes...

Are you referring to these pics?

The blue guy is sir something the wise, the one with the nose is the witch herself.

The other guy is patsy.

But i have found something a bit more interesting. Isch please claim now, name and role. Because i think i found a flaw. (cant say it now for obvious reasons)

Wait a minute, we've killed both of the killers (or at least will have)! Our powers are useless!

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Also this argument against me is essentially based on a few things.

We are assuming that the kill is passed on, with no evidence either way

We are assuming that if i did get the kill that i was blocked and that yeeb does not write up blocked kills.

But Isch, claim please.

Sorry for this multiple post streak. Its hard to do this on a phone

Yes, Isch, please claim, because I'm a bee's dick away from voting THYMOLE. I want to hear his supposed fallacy. And then I want to kill him anyway, just to show 'im.

What he said.

Youve been saying that since I first voted for you though ensemble.

>:[]

I also said that I didn't trust Coldviper. So, I suspected the Spanish Inquisition!

_{So wish I was a cop right now. ...I suspected the Spanish Inquisition, so I inspected the Spanish Inquisition, and then I expected the Spanish Inquisition!}

the one with the nose is the witch herself.

Ah-hah.

But i have found something a bit more interesting. Isch please claim now, name and role. Because i think i found a flaw. (cant say it now for obvious reasons)

Do it, Isch.

Also this argument against me is essentially based on a few things.

We are assuming that the kill is passed on, with no evidence either way

Every mafia game ever might count. Give me one mafia game where the kill is just one designated person and it dies with the player, and I'll show you the entire damn forum

If you really want me to claim a second time, here it is.

I am the witch finder. My role is the witch hunter. I am pro-town and win when either I burn the witch or when there are no threats to camelot left.

Every night I could investigate one person to see if they are the witch. Once I found the witch I could then attempt to burn them the following night, with a 50% success rate. I found and burned the witch and had a choice to remain in game. Obviously I chose to stay in game, to see how much longer I could stay alive for. I am now only a VT.

Good. I gotcha

Quoted from Night_Post:

The Witch, played by Heir of Elessar has been burnt. The Witch catcher has achieved a win condition and has decided to remain in live play.

You are not the witch hunter, you are the witch catcher. Furthermore, this contradiction proves that you did not check your role email, yet you still placed the witch hunter part as the role. This means you not only made up the name, but were referred to by your role, not name, when the night post was made.

And there is no character named he witch finder. Don't be silly! Yeeb is not going to make only a single character out of 26 a made up person

Ugh. THAT'S what you were sitting on? Laaame. He got a word wrong in his claim. That's deadly, that is. Witch Catcher = Witch hunter = Witch finder. Who gives a goddamn?
I'm going to leave this for about 10 hours, and, in the morning, unless the others make as big a deal as you are, I'm gonna vote for you. Seriously. A freakin' word?

Um, well logic would give a damn. He lied.

I'm pretty sure I failed to capitalise the "B" in Brother Maynard one time. I must be mafia as well.

The only reason I've not yet voted for you is because I want to hear a rebuttal/reaction from someone else, and if I vote for you now that puts you within easy strike range on the 1/100 chance that you ARE actually town.

Also, I may not have intarwebz for about 48 hours. may being the operative word.

I find your lack of synonyms disturbing. Not.

Vote: Thymole

That has to be the worst arguement I have ever seen. I can't think properly for laughing.

I guess you have seen my role email to see that I lied. I wish I could quote my role directly because catcher isn't even mentioned it it.

I'm pretty sure I failed to capitalise the "B" in Brother Maynard one time.

Obviously we have our scum! Lynch him!

This means you not only made up the name,

Prove it. Also prove he said my role.

but were referred to by your role, not name, when the night post was made.

And?

I did prove it, right there! You're name is not the witch hunter, yeeb clearly stated catcher. So either you can support this argument and fail to explain the incorrect name, or you can deny it and eliminate all credibility to your own claim. I don't particularly care if I die tbh. Just kill isch before the game ends, I am convinced he is scum.

Why:

He had a win condition of killing a townie, similar to that ofthe other mafia's

He was a killer

He lied about his name

His character is the only one put of 26 characters that Does Not Exist

His only confirmation comes from a referance to his win, which based upon his most recent claim refers to his role, not his name.

A witch catcher, hunter, finder or whatever made up crap he makes up is still roughly a description of the Spanish inquisition, which makes sense as the role.

Lynch me first, I don't care, the town will win. Won't even argue it.

Looks like it is pretty much decided then, lets hope thymole is the scum.

Vote: Thymole

Overkill Vote: Thymole

He lied about his name

So, one reason I'm scum according to you is that because I changed one word? Sounds very weak.

His only confirmation comes from a referance to his win, which based upon his most recent claim refers to his role, not his name.

I still dont see how me using one differnt word means anything at all. It's not like I'm pretending im the character or anything.

His character is the only one put of 26 characters that Does Not Exist

I agree it's odd but why would I make up such an obviously shaky role?

A witch catcher, hunter, finder or whatever made up crap he makes up is still roughly a description of the Spanish inquisition, which makes sense as the role.

I'm clearly making this up, even Yeeb says this. Using your logic about contradiction, you must be scum.
And not everyone who caught witches were in the inquisition. I think the film does a good job is showing this. Again, to use your logic, why would Yeeb make up a non-existant role when he could use the remaining cardinal's name?

If you don't turn out scum, then you needlessly dug a hole for yourself here.

He lied about his name
So, one reason I'm scum according to you is that because I changed one word? Sounds very weak.
His only confirmation comes from a referance to his win, which based upon his most recent claim refers to his role, not his name.

I still dont see how me using one differnt word means anything at all. It's not like I'm pretending im the character or anything.

you got mixed up with your fake claim. It's not real

His character is the only one put of 26 characters that Does Not Exist
I agree it's odd but why would I make up such an obviously shaky role?

no other choice, plus the night post suggested your name was the witch catcher

A witch catcher, hunter, finder or whatever made up crap he makes up is still roughly a description of the Spanish inquisition, which makes sense as the role.
I'm clearly making this up, even Yeeb says this. Using your logic about contradiction, you must be scum.
And not everyone who caught witches were in the inquisition. I think the film does a good job is showing this. Again, to use your logic, why would Yeeb make up a non-existant role when he could use the remaining cardinal's name?

read my argument. yeeb said this to hide the mafia. Witch hunter is your ROLE. Not your name

If you don't turn out scum, then you needlessly dug a hole for yourself here.

martyrdom...

I'll save ya some time

vote thymole looks like I won't be getting out anyway.

Hmm... That there probably isn't good (I was a little bit drunk sorry). Either way, my opinions and evidence have been stated, and I'll probably be out for a little bit now. So uh, kill me if you still suspect me, then once you realize I'm town use some logic and kill isch.

The motivation for killing me comes from the fact that I was blocked and there were no kills. The motivation for killing isch comes from the fact mainly that his character doesn't exist. Isch keeps acting confused so I will say this one last time.

He claimed his Name was the Witch Finder and his Role to be the Witch Hunter. The role should have been the Witch Catcher. Even if we excuse his mistake, the fact ofthe matter is that the Witch Catcher part should have been his Role. This means that when yeeb referenced him in that night post, that he used his Role. Meaning that his Name could still easily be Cardinal whatever (not to mention that the role of the witch catcher supports the cardinal identity).

And once again Isch is the only person in a 26 player game to claim the role of a nonexistant character

Please make the right choices, I do not think I will have time to defend myself or attack further. If you still distrust me just lynch me (if I have not been lynched already), I am virtually certain that isch is the last scum so it shouldn't make a difference.

As a last bit of evidence, the official script to prove he made the name up. Not that you should doubt that...


CROWD: A witch! A witch! A witch! We've got a witch! A witch!
VILLAGER #1: We have found a witch, might we burn her?
CROWD: Burn her! Burn!
BEDEMIR: How do you know she is a witch?
VILLAGER #2: She looks like one.
BEDEMIR: Bring her forward.
WITCH: I'm not a witch. I'm not a witch.
BEDEMIR: But you are dressed as one.
WITCH: They dressed me up like this.
CROWD: No, we didn't... no.
WITCH: And this isn't my nose, it's a false one.
BEDEMIR: Well?
VILLAGER #1: Well, we did do the nose.
BEDEMIR: The nose?
VILLAGER #1: And the hat -- but she is a witch!
CROWD: Burn her! Witch! Witch! Burn her!
BEDEMIR: Did you dress her up like this?
CROWD: No, no... no ... yes. Yes, yes, a bit, a bit.
VILLAGER #1: She has got a wart.
BEDEMIR: What makes you think she is a witch?
VILLAGER #3: Well, she turned me into a newt.
BEDEMIR: A newt?
VILLAGER #3: I got better.
VILLAGER #2: Burn her anyway!
CROWD: Burn! Burn her!
BEDEMIR: Quiet, quiet. Quiet! There are ways of telling whether
she is a witch.
CROWD: Are there? What are they?
BEDEMIR: Tell me, what do you do with witches?
VILLAGER #2: Burn!
CROWD: Burn, burn them up!
BEDEMIR: And what do you burn apart from witches?
VILLAGER #1: More witches!
VILLAGER #2: Wood!
BEDEMIR: So, why do witches burn?
[pause]
VILLAGER #3: B--... 'cause they're made of wood...?
BEDEMIR: Good!
CROWD: Oh yeah, yeah...
BEDEMIR: So, how do we tell whether she is made of wood?
VILLAGER #1: Build a bridge out of her.
BEDEMIR: Aah, but can you not also build bridges out of stone?
VILLAGER #2: Oh, yeah.
BEDEMIR: Does wood sink in water?
VILLAGER #1: No, no.
VILLAGER #2: It floats! It floats!
VILLAGER #1: Throw her into the pond!
CROWD: The pond!
BEDEMIR: What also floats in water?
VILLAGER #1: Bread!
VILLAGER #2: Apples!
VILLAGER #3: Very small rocks!
VILLAGER #1: Cider!
VILLAGER #2: Great gravy!
VILLAGER #1: Cherries!
VILLAGER #2: Mud!
VILLAGER #3: Churches -- churches!
VILLAGER #2: Lead -- lead!
ARTHUR: A duck.
CROWD: Oooh.
BEDEMIR: Exactly! So, logically...,
VILLAGER #1: If... she.. weighs the same as a duck, she's made of wood.
BEDEMIR: And therefore--?
VILLAGER #1: A witch!
CROWD: A witch!
BEDEMIR: We shall use my larger scales!
[yelling]
BEDEMIR: Right, remove the supports!
[whop]
[creak]
CROWD: A witch! A witch!
WITCH: It's a fair cop.
CROWD: Burn her! Burn! [yelling]
BEDEMIR: Who are you who are so wise in the ways of science?
ARTHUR: I am Arthur, King of the Britons.
BEDEMIR: My liege!
ARTHUR: Good Sir knight, will you come with me to Camelot,
and join us at the Round Table?
BEDEMIR: My liege! I would be honored.
ARTHUR: What is your name?
BEDEMIR: Bedemir, my leige.
ARTHUR: Then I dub you Sir Bedemir, Knight of the Round Table.

Wow. I think that's a unanimous lynch.

Anyhow, if this doesn't work and you're still in the game, EoJ, block Isch.

And once again Isch is the only person in a 26 player game to claim the role of a nonexistant character

As opposed to an anti-town role that is Zoot?

And once again Isch is the only person in a 26 player game to claim the role of a nonexistant character

Once again Do you really think I'd be stupid enough to claim such an obviously flawed role if I was scum? On the same note,

no other choice, plus the night post suggested your name was the witch catcher

No choice? That's what I am, I didn't have to make it up. Your proving that it exists and that I'm not lying! Funnily enough, as that's my name, then I can't be the remaining cardinal as I'm fairly certain Yeeb will use the three cardinals as the mafia, not someone with 'a none existant role/name'.

Hmm. Well, I wasted that kill. But, Thymole appears to have been right: for whatever reason the mafia is no longer killing. I would suggest that that makes sneaky the most likely candidate, as he's been fairly inactive. It's safest to eliminate him. If Isch is here, he's clearly without a kill power. Thoughts?

You're forgetting quite an obvious target there, friend.
Here's how it sits from here

ENSEMBLE_NUT (me) - As far as I'm concerned, I think that we're all agreed that I'm a townie.

Maegreg - Seems clean to me

Isch - My no. 1 target

Sneaky - I don't see what he's done.

I would not be at all surprised if there was only one cardinal left - one who couldn't kill. I'm also highly aware that this is potentially our last night - for if we lynch incorrectly today, the killer strikes tomorrow and then, as it's a 50-50 split, game over. If we choose a blind lynch, tomorrow is better than now.

Wait, Naxxy hasn't been taking his thinking pills again. I say we lynch one now, and if that doesn't work, maeg, you vig the other tonight. Agreed?

You do realize I'm a VT right?, since I had no previous knowledge after the bishop's death (I face palmed for two weeks straight before being able to look at the computer screen) I thought I'd let you guys do the thinking so I wouldn't make things any more complicated.

And we have like what? 5 people?, I don't think we should go around lynching town with such few numbers.

I'd probably say the only scum among us is a certain person with a certain vigilante role, is anyone here a vigilante?, if we do they are probably scum.

I'll try to help out if that is what you want, but I need reasons for everyone that confirms they are town, I only know Nut to be town because of the night grenade, but I know nothing else. If we end up losing because of Maeg I'll be REALLY PISSED OFF, I am assuming only one scum is among us.

Uhm, donno how to say this, Sneaky, but you have incredibly minute genitalia if there was a mafia vig/killer going around, why a) am I, a confirmed town, not dead, and b) why has nothing happened for the last two nights?

Well sneaky, since you apparently missed it earlier, I'm a knighted Knight, a vigilante, Sir Bors to be precise. Since Arthur mentioned that he had knighted a vigilante, and I'm the only possible candidate for both the attack on EoJ last night and the multiple attacks on the black knight, I'm pretty much confirmed. Ensemble is confirmed due to the use of the holy hand grenade.

Well, sneaky very nicely appeared to support coldviper in his attack on Heir. That's why I'm suspicious of him. But I'm perfectly happy to kill Isch instead. As you pointed out, I can simply vig the other one tonight if we're wrong.

Vote: Ischenous

I supported someone?, I don't recall backing up anyone lately.

Now that I have a vague idea of what is going on I see ensemble Nut and me are VTs, EoJ is a RB survivor, Isch is...I have no idea, and you claim to be a knight with a killing power.

I have no idea who else it could be scum besides Isch, but why bother killing me if scum can't kill?, this also baffles me, why has there been no kills lately?

I am not sure about confirmed stuff and all but I am starting to suspect you might fall onto the kill random people category. Think about it, you are the only one with a kill ability and you were roleblocked last night (That is what I have understood from your previous post, correct me if I am wrong), now what kind of retarded scum would refrain from killing so close to endgame? My guess is that the scum's kill was blocked.

Just to be safe for the night, I say EoJ roleblocks Maeg, its not like scum are capable of killing, we wouldn't lose anyone.

EoJ is gone. He won. He's out of the game.

As for supporting, it was your counterclaim that backed up coldviper in his lynch on Heir. That makes you suspicious to me, as does the fact that you've been nicely lurking while we've bumped off other targets. Unvote

I just roleclaimed, or would you rather have me make up a role?

I had no idea EoJ had left, I thought he stayed like all the other guys who "won" but chose to stay.

To be honest, I don't feel safe with a vigilante going all trigger happy either.

When was I lurking again?

Aaand suddenly Sneaky looks a whole lot more suspicious than he did before.
Vote: Sneaky

I'm fairly sure you were lurking right up until you counter claimed Heir. You were definatly proded around then.

I like how ensemble said there was a 99% chance I was scum, but then switched his argument to mine as soon as I died

*grumble*

oh well GL town. I don't see how you could lose really, logically you shouldn't.

Well since I am a VT and have no material to work with it looks like I can't add any more to the discussion.

Though I'm pretty sure one screw up from the town means we lose.