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Aro
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posted 09-07-08 05:22 PM CT (US)   
See Post 50 for the results of this poll (SD and MPD will be merged). There is now a naming thread available and I'd like everybody's suggestions on what to name the new forum.

(There is another POLL thread active in the ModPack Discussions forum.)

Given the nature of both Scenario Design and modding these days (for some people, they're more or less combined), and how modifications are no longer taboo in the SD world, how would all of you feel about us combining two of our forums, ModPack Discussions and Scenario Design? Cases in point:

Age of Chivalry
Age of The Apocalipse

Along with other discussions that cross the line into Mod territory that primarily happen here in SD. What a combination would mean is that anybody could ask SD *or* mod questions in a single forum, and given the activity of this place compared to MPD, there's more likely to be an answer, as well as more publicity for mod showcases.

If you guys, of course, don't like the idea (help us make our decision and feel free to state why!), we would have to move the mod showcases listed above to MPD simply so we can keep SD related to Scenario Design and MPD related to game mods. But as you can see, the line has blurred somewhat; ATW, for instance, is a campaign, but it includes some pretty intense modifications.

Feel free to state your thoughts on this, guys. We're listening!
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qaz123tfg
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posted 09-07-08 05:54 PM CT (US)     1 / 54  
I like them separate. Because while some scenarios do have modifications, modifications (stats mods, graphic mods) are such a distinct function that they deserve their own forum. While some scenarios have mods, mods don't necessarily have scenarios. In fact, they usually don't.

Do the guys in SD really want to field lots of questions like,"How do we change stats?" "My goodness there's a white box around my new unit!!" etc. The people in the mps forum have been dealing with those for years and thus are able to quickly help newbies.
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Aro
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posted 09-07-08 06:56 PM CT (US)     2 / 54  
The people in the mps forum have been dealing with those for years and thus are able to quickly help newbies.
The idea would be to combine the communities.
Because while some scenarios do have modifications, modifications (stats mods, graphic mods) are such a distinct function that they deserve their own forum
Very true and noted.

Any more opinions?
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hunnic paladin
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posted 09-07-08 06:59 PM CT (US)     3 / 54  
I definitely want them to stay separate. :| I dont like the idea of combining them at all. I cant explain why, and I dont know why, but it just sounds no good.
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Mapppp
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posted 09-07-08 07:05 PM CT (US)     4 / 54  
I think it'd be a boon to modding. No one goes there anymore, so there's more of a chance to get help here than there if you're making a mod.
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(id: MeGaIdIoT)
posted 09-07-08 07:57 PM CT (US)     5 / 54  
A definite yes.
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posted 09-07-08 08:14 PM CT (US)     6 / 54  
Yes.
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sly_guy
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posted 09-07-08 08:16 PM CT (US)     7 / 54  
Merge them. Modding is some people's way of contributing to the community, and their way of showcasing their creativity, just as SD'ing is other people's way of showing theirs.
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Aro
AoKH Dictator
posted 09-07-08 08:26 PM CT (US)     8 / 54  
A definite yes.
Yes.
Yes what? Be specific on what you want and share your thoughts.
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UnnamedPlayer
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posted 09-07-08 08:43 PM CT (US)     9 / 54  
it doesn't hurt to combine them because the forum's aren't very active.

if there was mass traffic then you could keep them separate.
Mash
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posted 09-07-08 08:48 PM CT (US)     10 / 54  
I'm all up for merging.

Agamemnon and Kor/Andrew Dunn posted their project's threads in the SD forum, and they had maximum response to their work.

It would be highly beneficial to merge the two sub-forums because the modding community would receive the response they are after.

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AnastasiaKafka
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posted 09-07-08 08:49 PM CT (US)     11 / 54  
I'd welcome the change, but I think Shadowflare and the modders should have the final decision.

My opinion is -- I think they should stay separate, while adding another experienced modder as a new staff Moderator for MPD.

I also think that MPD should have their own poll.
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posted 09-07-08 09:13 PM CT (US)     12 / 54  
I say yes because the Modpack forum is barebones active, and mod threads are already posted in SD. Mod threads would get more attention if only posted in this forum, and mod questions would get answered more, as well as the current SD community being able to know more about modding.
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Aro
AoKH Dictator
posted 09-07-08 09:33 PM CT (US)     13 / 54  
I also think that MPD should have their own poll.
Actually... thanks, point taken. I was thinking that a single thread would represent more how both communities feel, but now that I think of it, it'd be the opinions of SD'ers outweighing the opinion of the MPD community.

Anyway, keep going guys! Your opinions are invaluable.
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posted 09-07-08 10:43 PM CT (US)     14 / 54  
Yes what? Be specific on what you want and share your thoughts.
My rationale is that it's better to have a few active forums than a lot of inactive forums. It might also allow ideas to cross-pollinate better (for example, and SDer seeing a mod that might be useful in his scenario).
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Jatayu
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posted 09-08-08 00:44 AM CT (US)     15 / 54  
I agree with the merger.
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Andanu Trisatya
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posted 09-08-08 05:36 AM CT (US)     16 / 54  
I see no good reason why it should not. After all, scenario designing and modding are pretty much becoming one nowadays. Besides, like the majority stated, the MD forum lacks activity and attention.
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posted 09-08-08 05:42 AM CT (US)     17 / 54  
I stand for keeping them separated but, however, if they are merged, the fusion needs a new name: 'Editor's Pages' or something similar.
Tanneur99
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posted 09-08-08 05:57 AM CT (US)     18 / 54  
Another reason to combine the two forums is that we have less traffic in ModPack Discussion. I miss a forum for the scripter in AoKH, a forum for the AI scripter and Random Map Scripts, a MPS file is a Modification Pack Script.

My vote would be 'No' for the merger. I propose to add RMS and AI Discussion to the ModPack Discussion forum to close the gap and to generate more traffic.

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posted 09-08-08 07:06 AM CT (US)     19 / 54  
I think merging the two forums would be good. The modpack forum has a much smaller group of regulars and many scenario designers at present have much more experience in modding than, say, three years ago. The split between the two communities is therefore only artificial and not a proper representation of the community, where many people are both modder and designer.
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KayanZ
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posted 09-08-08 10:58 AM CT (US)     20 / 54  
Yes to the merge.
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posted 09-08-08 11:06 AM CT (US)     21 / 54  
Yes to the merge because I visit the modpack forum once in a blue moon.
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posted 09-08-08 11:45 AM CT (US)     22 / 54  
Yes to the merger. Lots of knowledgeable people in modpack discussion would help improve the communities knowledge base and make the design community more close-knit .

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posted 09-08-08 12:06 PM CT (US)     23 / 54  
I say. For reasosn mentioned.
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posted 09-08-08 12:57 PM CT (US)     24 / 54  
I TOTALLY agree. This would draw more attention to upcoming modpacks, and people who dont check SD but do check MPD would also get interested in the Map-Editor

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Mr Wednesday
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posted 09-08-08 02:37 PM CT (US)     25 / 54  
I have advocated a merge in the past. At this point, the majority of modding is done with scenario designing in mind, and most designers who have a post or question about modding do so in SD already.

Not sure how that would work with like 10 stickies though
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Luke Gevaerts
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posted 09-08-08 02:42 PM CT (US)     26 / 54  
The count so far (including the MD poll, excluding double votes):

For: 15
Against: 5
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hunnic paladin
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posted 09-08-08 02:43 PM CT (US)     27 / 54  
Only 5 say no so far? Hm... I do see yalls point now that you POINTED it out. But I still vote no.

EDIT: What is your vote, Aro?
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Surge
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posted 09-08-08 03:52 PM CT (US)     28 / 54  
I don't see a problem - merge them.
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YoshiX100000
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posted 09-08-08 10:03 PM CT (US)     29 / 54  
It sounds like an interesting concept, but I am against it until we can come up with a way to satisfy SD'ers who dislike modding(like me ), and/or don't like this idea. Some designers see modding as a form of cheating that violates the sacredness of Scenario Design (i just don't want to waste my time installing/uninstalling files all the time ), so we need to have something for all parties to like, before we go ahead with this.
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posted 09-08-08 10:13 PM CT (US)     30 / 54  
It sounds like an interesting concept, but I am against it until we can come up with a way to satisfy SD'ers who dislike modding(like me ), and/or don't like this idea. Some designers see modding as a form of cheating that violates the sacredness of Scenario Design (i just don't want to waste my time installing/uninstalling files all the time ), so we need to have something for all parties to like, before we go ahead with this.
Easy...don't post or participate in modding threads.
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Dave_Earl
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posted 09-08-08 11:59 PM CT (US)     31 / 54  
Hi folks,

I'm in favour of merging the two forums.

Cheers,

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posted 09-09-08 01:07 AM CT (US)     32 / 54  
Remember guys: Dave's vote counts for five.
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viperiv
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posted 09-09-08 02:01 AM CT (US)     33 / 54  
No
Luke Gevaerts
Squire
posted 09-09-08 02:23 AM CT (US)     34 / 54  
Easy...don't post or participate in modding threads.
That's not going to leave him a whole lot he can participate in, you know?
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Free Scarler
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posted 09-09-08 05:37 AM CT (US)     35 / 54  
Yes, merge them. If that had been done two years ago my mod might still be popular, but because at that time the forums were separated my thread sank like a ship with holes in it.
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