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Rotaretilbo
Mere Mortal
(id: Brandon Rebuga)
posted 05-05-09 04:44 AM CT (US)   
This is our Mafia Calender. We use this to
schedule and maintain order in all of these online forum
games. YOU'VE NEVER HEARD OF MAFIA??? CLICK HERE!


Forum Mods:
GoSailing
EnemyofJupitor
Blatant

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Warning List


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Mafia Queue
There are two lines - one for people wanting to run full mafia games (13 and up) and one for people wanting to run mini mafia games (12 and under).

Full Queue
  • A Song of Ice and Fire Mafia - Plake and Rotaretilbo
  • Storyteller's Mafia ???: The Wild West - Leif Ericson
  • Spartacus Mafia - Droideka_11
  • Storyteller's Mafia ???: Godfall - Sarn
  • We Didn't Playtest This Mafia At All - Maegereg
  • Storyteller's Mafia ???: Gods of Old 2 - Newt_Gunray
  • ??? Mafia - SodaMister
  • ??? Mafia - THYMOLE
  • Colony Mafia - Daimond Daimondo
  • Cthulhu Mythos Mafia - WingedFlamez and Julius999
  • X Mafia - lordofglory
  • ??? Mafia - WRP
  • Legendary Creatures Mafia II - Cheddar Chap


Mini Queue
  • ??? Mafia - Newt_Gunray
  • Minecraft Mafia - Catabre[1]
  • ??? Mafia - ColdCanuck
  • ??? Mafia - Herr Heir
  • ??? Mafia - Peter Fallon
  • My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic Mafia - Rotaretilbo and FancyDante
  • Open Communication Mafia -


Hall of Fame


Complete games


Incomplete games:


Operational Policy
  1. In order to request a place on any queue in this calendar, a forummer must have first played in at least two games at any Heaven. If the forummer seeks a host's approval on the setup, the requirement is reduced to just one game. Requests for games with 12 or fewer spots are placed on the Mini queue; requests for games with 13 or more spots are placed on the Full queue.
  2. The next host in line in a queue cannot start their game until one of the current games is over, or until the host of one of the current games grants permission in this thread. Currently, two games in each queue may be hosted simultaneously.
  3. There can never be two or more active game signup threads at the same time. Moreover, no single host may run two or more active games concurrent one another. In the event that a host is running an active game and is up to run a game in another queue, that host will be moved down one place in that queue.
  4. A host can, at any time, choose to move back an indefinite number of spaces in the queue if they don't want to run their game yet.
  5. If a host feels that there is a demand for a new game not being met by the host whose turn is next, he may declare intent to skip to the top of the queue to fill the void. However, this declaration must stand for a week without any progress from the other host before it can be acted upon. Any host higher on the queue in question than the host making the declaration may also choose to make a counterdeclaration during this one week period.
  6. If a host is at the top of a queue, and they do not show any signs of starting their game, a period of one week will be allowed to elapse, after which they will be moved down one place, and the next host will have an opportunity to go. If the next host in line similarly shows no signs of hosting for a week, they will be moved down two places, and so on, until a host who is ready is at the top of the queue. If a host stagnates the queue in this way twice consecutively, their game will be removed from the queue.
  7. Hosts may only be in each queue once at any one time. They are granted additional spots for supportive cohosting, where "supportive" is defined as an experienced host supporting a new host in hosting a first or second game, or an experienced host supporting a host who has recently hosted several games deemed unbalanced; the term "equal cohost" will be used to refer to all other instances of cohosting.
  8. Equal cohosts must all be declared when a game enters the queue. Supportive cohosts may be declared at any time.
  9. If the primary host of a mafia backs out, the game is removed from the queue, regardless of the presence of a supportive cohost. However, if one of two equal cohosts backs out, the other may maintain the spot on the queue, if they so choose. Once a game has begun, if the primary host of the mafia backs out, any cohost present may choose to continue the game, if they so choose.
  10. Hosts may seek to list a player for misconduct in a game they are hosting or have recently hosted. If at least two community members, other than the accused, disagree with the request within a week of it being made, a formal vote will be held to determine if the request will be accepted or denied. However, if one or fewer community members, excluding the accused, disagree with the request within a week of the request being made, then it will be accepted without a formal vote. The accused player will be listed until five games that began after the accused player became listed have ended. Listing has no bearing on whether or not a player is allowed to participate in games; it simply signifies a warning to hosts.
  11. Community members may seek to list a player for inactivity in a recent game, if that player was replaced out of said game due to inactivity. If at least two community members, other than the accused, or the host of the game in question disagree with the request within a week of it being made, a formal vote will be held to determine if the request will be accepted or denied. However, if one or fewer community members, excluding the accused, disagree with the request within a week of the request being made, then it will be accepted without a formal vote. The accused player will be listed indefinitely until which time that they complete two games consecutively without being removed from a game. Listing has no bearing on whether or not a player is allowed to participate in games; it simply signifies a warning to hosts.
  12. The calendar host may seek to punish a host for misconduct in the calendar. If at least two community members, other than the accused, disagree with the request within a week of it being made, a formal vote will be held to determine if the request will be accepted or denied. However, if one or fewer community members, excluding the accused, disagree with the request within a week of the request being made, then it will be accepted without a formal vote. Hosts punished in this manner will be moved five spaces in each queue. If there are fewer than five spaces, the remaining spaces will be added to the queue as blank spots between the second to last spot and the host being punished, allowing hosts signing up on the queue to skip ahead of the host being punished.


Because this is a very "long term" thread, it may expire. You should look for a moderator to top the thread if that happens - email them about it.
"Also, I'm no clearer on what WIFOM is really, although I gather it's something to do with Thymole being gay..." -Sassenach
"I don't lie in my claims and I don't intend to." -WeeMicky
"OH MY GOD A DINOSAUR" -Peter Fallon

[This message has been edited by Rotaretilbo (edited 06-09-2015 @ 12:29 PM).]

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Ninja Jedi
Mere Mortal
posted 05-05-09 06:52 AM CT (US)     1 / 3017  
I request a mini mafia!

not sure what kind i'm hosting though
Ninja Jedi
Hated most heavens

[This message has been edited by Ninja Jedi (edited 05-05-2009 @ 06:54 AM).]

AvidWriter
Mere Mortal
posted 05-05-09 08:46 AM CT (US)     2 / 3017  
Lets throw me on that list too, just for kicks.
Make us whole again.

~Winner of the Splatter Award at HWH '07~
Ashrzr
Battle of the Forums EEH winning team
(id: normandy887)
posted 05-05-09 08:50 AM CT (US)     3 / 3017  
Damn, didn't know we could reserve spots.

Please put me up for The Thing Mafia, you can go ahead and take it off the queue at WiCH.

EDIT: Actually, can we sign up for two queues at once as usual? If so I'll put myself up for Memento Mafia, a mini. If not I'll just have The Thing up there for now.
EE forever

[This message has been edited by Ashrzr (edited 05-05-2009 @ 08:56 AM).]

Sir Wulf
Snoogles
posted 05-05-09 09:11 AM CT (US)     4 / 3017  
If i may make a suggestion, it might be an idea to change the wording for potential mods from 'particpating' in two games to 'adequately participating'. Otherwise you'll get people coming on the queue who have been in 2 games, one of which they got killed on Night 1, the other they went inactive in.


I'd also suggest voiding the current queue (bar the first game), advertising this forum across all the heavens/OD ande then reopening for submissions. As otherwise it looks like people who chat to the mods in their day-to-day lives are getting preferential treatment and top slots on the queue.
Reddendum hoc vobis
Translate this yourself
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Motto of the French Navy: "To the water, it is time!"
Xaph
Shalashaska
(id: Xaphianion)
posted 05-05-09 09:15 AM CT (US)     5 / 3017  
I request a mini mafia!
I think you're on Rot's probation list for actions in a previous Mafia on EEH. It's certainly that way on other Heavens, I'm not sure if it carries over to here.

Rot, could I please be put down for a Simpsons mini-mafia? I have a mafia developed for the theme, but I'll downgrade it for this.
I will open one of my six mouths, and I will sing the song that ends the Earth.
I love you in a totally platonic way Xaph - Jon Rolos | Xaph does mutha****in' win the thread. - Anakin
Xaph, I wish you were my friend IRL - Boba Fettucini
Well I think it's obvious why Peter Noone would care about Xaph - Newt_Gunray
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Cheesewiz
HG Alumnus
posted 05-05-09 09:20 AM CT (US)     6 / 3017  
*sticks like a good little Seraph*


And just a heads up...you probably want to consider a black list of people who you don't want to play...we've had some real trouble in OD, and I know AoMH has, too.
Ex-Seraph Cheesewiz - Former WICH Webmaster, AOE3H Webmaster, & RTWH Staff, HeavenGames LLC
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[This message has been edited by Cheesewiz (edited 05-05-2009 @ 09:21 AM).]

DunC
Mere Mortal
(id: Evil_Cheese44221)
posted 05-05-09 09:23 AM CT (US)     7 / 3017  
I'm thinking of hosting my Cheese Mafia, 9players.
Any space?

(Yes Rot, it is my one we tried on msn that time)
"It is my Duty. My Duty, as a complete, and utter bastard."~Arnold Judas Rimmer
"The real revolution starts with learning. If you're not angry, then you're not paying attention" - Tim McIlath
"We're All The PirateBay"
~~~~Evil_Cheese44221~~~~

[This message has been edited by DunC (edited 05-05-2009 @ 09:28 AM).]

GoSailing
EEH Seraph
posted 05-05-09 09:56 AM CT (US)     8 / 3017  
And just a heads up...you probably want to consider a black list of people who you don't want to play...we've had some real trouble in OD, and I know AoMH has, too.
There is a probation list and if anybody causes any problems it can be dealt with.
"It seems to me the humour of Sails is so dry you could strike a match on it and it would be the humour that caught fire." - Friend of Old
Drinian
Savage Norseman
(id: TimmySpok)
posted 05-05-09 10:11 AM CT (US)     9 / 3017  
I'll move my mafia from OD to here. After August sometime in the next year I'd like to host "Generation Ship Mafia." I've hosted one mafia before at AoE3 Heaven and played literally dozens of mafias at HG.
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Varangia-- A viking unit in the Aratari chapter of Dagorhir

Winner-- OD Idol 2009
Nacht Jaeger
Mere Mortal
(id: RCM7525)
posted 05-05-09 10:35 AM CT (US)     10 / 3017  
Put my Return of the King Mafia here and an ???? Mini Mafia please.
Nacht Jaeger - Ex AoEH Angel
Ninja Jedi
Mere Mortal
posted 05-05-09 11:39 AM CT (US)     11 / 3017  
I think you're on Rot's probation list for actions in a previous Mafia on EEH.
Only on calenders PRE incident. So anything he came to run after that i'm not actually banned on.
Ninja Jedi
Hated most heavens
A Banned User
Battle of the Forums EEH winning team
posted 05-05-09 11:39 AM CT (US)     12 / 3017  
Wait, so people had the ability to reserve spots on here, before the calender actually opened? By the way I completely agree with this view:
I'd also suggest voiding the current queue (bar the first game), advertising this forum across all the heavens/OD ande then reopening for submissions. As otherwise it looks like people who chat to the mods in their day-to-day lives are getting preferential treatment and top slots on the queue.
That way people on heavens who only find about this in the next day or two, won't suddenly come on here and find huge queues already because people from other heavens or those who were informed they were able to reserve spots.
As I don't think the first move of this place should immediatly have a bias towards some poeple than others.
"Banned is a beautiful, beautiful man. Visit BfME2H, EEH, or DoFH if you want to see more of this wonder." - Blatant
"I'VE ABANDONED MY CHILD" - Ashrzr defending himself from paedophile charges.

Scenario designer for Empire Earth and Empire Creations
1st July 1916, The Somme (4.6), The Long Road to France (4.8) and A Place Called Waterloo (4.8)
President of EEH, alongside Ashrzr (FILM DUDE!)
Julius999
Imposter
posted 05-05-09 11:45 AM CT (US)     13 / 3017  
That way people on heavens who only find about this in the next day or two, won't suddenly come on here and find huge queues already because people from other heavens or those who were informed they were able to reserve spots.
As I don't think the first move of this place should immediatly have a bias towards some poeple than others.
I agree with this. As I've said elsewhere, most of the mafia queues in HG seem to be locked up for months. Some of the people who feature on nearly every queue have already jumped on this one.
1010011010
[ All_That_Glitters | Pretty_Town_Contest | Other_AoK_Designs | AoE_Designs ]
Member of Stormwind Studios
Shrink
on the trender train
posted 05-05-09 11:45 AM CT (US)     14 / 3017  
It would be nice to move my Time Travel Mafia from OD's queue to here, but only because it's all written and I want to start as soon as possible - so it depends how long I'd have to wait.
(do add me to the queue though, and we'll see)

Sir Wulf and A Banned User are right - it seems a little unfair that the queue is already 5 games long.
★ ★ ★ ★

[This message has been edited by SHRInK (edited 05-05-2009 @ 01:42 PM).]

EnemyofJupitor
HG Alumnus Superbus
posted 05-05-09 11:47 AM CT (US)     15 / 3017  
Excellent. I'll just thrash open an idea I've had for a while, and get the sign ups open.
Don't forget to tell anyone who may be interested
And I shall go Softly into the Night Taking my Dreams As will You
A Banned User
Battle of the Forums EEH winning team
posted 05-05-09 12:09 PM CT (US)     16 / 3017  
Oh and just to prove i'm not saying that so i can get in the mafia queue sooner than those already signed up.

Rot i'm assuming you have a good memory and can do maths.

In one weeks time sign me up for a mini mafia. That should be ample opportunity for anybody else who wants to host a mafia to get in ahead of me. Or if we go ahead with the plan Wolf, me, Julius and Jax SHRInK (They have the same avater ) believe is right, sign me up for one, one week after the reformed calendar has opened. Which i'm hoping the people already signed up realize that fairness and equal chance should come ahead of them hosting their mafias sooner and agree with the idea.
"Banned is a beautiful, beautiful man. Visit BfME2H, EEH, or DoFH if you want to see more of this wonder." - Blatant
"I'VE ABANDONED MY CHILD" - Ashrzr defending himself from paedophile charges.

Scenario designer for Empire Earth and Empire Creations
1st July 1916, The Somme (4.6), The Long Road to France (4.8) and A Place Called Waterloo (4.8)
President of EEH, alongside Ashrzr (FILM DUDE!)

[This message has been edited by A Banned User (edited 05-05-2009 @ 12:12 PM).]

Nacht Jaeger
Mere Mortal
(id: RCM7525)
posted 05-05-09 12:12 PM CT (US)     17 / 3017  
Perhaps it would deter massive clogging if you had to have the theme of your mafia decided up front.
Nacht Jaeger - Ex AoEH Angel
Julius999
Imposter
posted 05-05-09 12:19 PM CT (US)     18 / 3017  
I should probably mention that I am slightly biased, in that I would like to host a game at HG before I'm old and grey and am too busy dribbling to send role emails. But even disregarding that, I think it's only fair to let word spread a bit before assigning any calendar slots.
1010011010
[ All_That_Glitters | Pretty_Town_Contest | Other_AoK_Designs | AoE_Designs ]
Member of Stormwind Studios
A Banned User
Battle of the Forums EEH winning team
posted 05-05-09 12:26 PM CT (US)     19 / 3017  
Another point that Julius raises, perhaps those who don't have loads of mafias they are waiting to host spread over lots of heavens, should be given priority at hosting here?

Edit: The more I think about it the more i'd like to play in games run by hosts that I never seem to play in. Because to be honest this should have been set up to allow people to play in mafias with different people and hosted by different people than normal. But looking at the calendar as it stands, I only see one host signed up whose games i've never played in before. As if I think about it now, of all the games i'm in about 4 are run by Rot and 2 by Arvy. Not that I don't like your hosting styles you two!
"Banned is a beautiful, beautiful man. Visit BfME2H, EEH, or DoFH if you want to see more of this wonder." - Blatant
"I'VE ABANDONED MY CHILD" - Ashrzr defending himself from paedophile charges.

Scenario designer for Empire Earth and Empire Creations
1st July 1916, The Somme (4.6), The Long Road to France (4.8) and A Place Called Waterloo (4.8)
President of EEH, alongside Ashrzr (FILM DUDE!)

[This message has been edited by A Banned User (edited 05-05-2009 @ 12:31 PM).]

Julius999
Imposter
posted 05-05-09 12:36 PM CT (US)     20 / 3017  
A case in point: A cursory check has told me Rotaretilbo currently has 12 games waiting in various mafia queues, and 3 more as co-host (excluding this calendar). Undoubtedly, Rot is a mafia staple who also does a great job organising several dozen mafia calendars. However, I do think that seeing as we have a dedicated forum, where an abundance of players and hosts is guaranteed, it makes sense to give him low priority.

Anyway, I'll shut up now. It's possible I'm a lone voice on this one.
1010011010
[ All_That_Glitters | Pretty_Town_Contest | Other_AoK_Designs | AoE_Designs ]
Member of Stormwind Studios

[This message has been edited by Julius999 (edited 05-05-2009 @ 12:37 PM).]

Nacht Jaeger
Mere Mortal
(id: RCM7525)
posted 05-05-09 12:42 PM CT (US)     21 / 3017  
Do you think that new people should be given priority, or should hosts only be allowed to be in one queue at a time?
Nacht Jaeger - Ex AoEH Angel
A Banned User
Battle of the Forums EEH winning team
posted 05-05-09 12:48 PM CT (US)     22 / 3017  
People with less games in calendars across the heavens should be given priority over those with more than them.

For example as Julius said somebody like him who if i'm correct has no mafias signed up on any calendar should be given priority over somebody like Rot who has 12. I'm sure the fairness in that speaks for itself.

Also it's also unfair on those heavens that don't find out about this until say later today, and they come on only to find people on heavens with prior warning or those who reserved a place have made the queue ridiculously large already.
"Banned is a beautiful, beautiful man. Visit BfME2H, EEH, or DoFH if you want to see more of this wonder." - Blatant
"I'VE ABANDONED MY CHILD" - Ashrzr defending himself from paedophile charges.

Scenario designer for Empire Earth and Empire Creations
1st July 1916, The Somme (4.6), The Long Road to France (4.8) and A Place Called Waterloo (4.8)
President of EEH, alongside Ashrzr (FILM DUDE!)
EnemyofJupitor
HG Alumnus Superbus
posted 05-05-09 02:07 PM CT (US)     23 / 3017  
Seeing as there's a movement for waiting to wait until other heavens have been notified and people have come, I'm going to open sign ups for the first mini mafia to get the forum rolling.

And I believe I qualify for those of you who want other hosts to put themselves forward, as I haven't hosted a mafia for a fair while
And I shall go Softly into the Night Taking my Dreams As will You
DragonQ
SC2H Seraph
posted 05-05-09 03:16 PM CT (US)     24 / 3017  
Perhaps the world of mafia is ready for my return?

I still have my Scientology Mafia (15 players) in a text file so I might as well sign up to host that here. I've never hosted a mafia at HG before, pass the priority points here plz.
Take my love, take my land, take me where I cannot stand.
I don't care, I'm still free, you can't take the sky from me.
Take me out to the black, tell them I ain't comin' back.
Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me.
There's no place I can be, since I found Serenity.
But you can't take the sky from me...
Zombie Gaddafi
Eater of no hats
(id: NeverPlayedHalo3)
posted 05-05-09 03:37 PM CT (US)     25 / 3017  
nevermind
4:45 PM - Papaya: can I say that I want to put a ****ing knife in his throat and then take it back

If you don't like it here, we're not making you stay, so please, feel free to leave so Hook and I can make love to each other in peace.~ Shanks

[This message has been edited by James Hook (edited 05-05-2009 @ 06:15 PM).]

A Banned User
Battle of the Forums EEH winning team
posted 05-05-09 05:25 PM CT (US)     26 / 3017  
Mini is 12 and under, full is any amount of players, so yours would be a full mafia.


Anyway, how about this for an idea.

We let EoJ and GoSailing run the first mini and full mafia, this can be our thanks to them for helping to set up and agreeing to run this place. Then we give 1 week for as many people (who meet the 2 game requirement) as wanted to sign up for a mafia, full or mini.
Then once this weeks deadline is up we make a list of all the full and mafia games people who are hosting them and then we make a list of how many games they are waiting to host/currently hosting across the heavens calendars. We then set it up in priority that the people with the lowest amount, go top of the queue and the people who have the most games pending go bottom of the list, so basically the queue will be in order of the amount of games a person is currently hosting/waiting to, the people with the lowest hosting before the others. This should not only give new people who have hardly hosted before a chance to host, but cut out the main mafia players from dominating one more calendar. If theres say 2 people wanting to host a full mafia game both having 4 games pending, then it should be decided on games previously hosted with the one who hosted least going first, if that is the same then random.org settles it.
Then after this week either anybody else after putting games on the list just goes straight to the bottom of the list, no matter how many games they have pending or we close the calendar and wait till all games are played and then repeat this process.

That should remove the problem of the mafia calendar being bias to people who heard about it first, and give priority to those who are put of hosting else where due to the large queues being clogged up by the staple hosts, and won’t find the same issue here.

I know people like Rot and Arvy won't be happy with this, but you have to admit it sounds a lot fairer than our current system.
"Banned is a beautiful, beautiful man. Visit BfME2H, EEH, or DoFH if you want to see more of this wonder." - Blatant
"I'VE ABANDONED MY CHILD" - Ashrzr defending himself from paedophile charges.

Scenario designer for Empire Earth and Empire Creations
1st July 1916, The Somme (4.6), The Long Road to France (4.8) and A Place Called Waterloo (4.8)
President of EEH, alongside Ashrzr (FILM DUDE!)
Shrink
on the trender train
posted 05-05-09 05:46 PM CT (US)     27 / 3017  
That's a good idea
I fully support it
★ ★ ★ ★
Ashrzr
Battle of the Forums EEH winning team
(id: normandy887)
posted 05-05-09 05:50 PM CT (US)     28 / 3017  
Ehh, why not? I'm willing to go with that.
EE forever
Maegereg
Mere Mortal
posted 05-05-09 05:52 PM CT (US)     29 / 3017  
I agree that having something on the order of 5 mafia games already in the queue when the calendar opens is a bad idea. I'm all for the idea of giving people time to trickle in and then re-opening signups. I'm not sure about giving the less frequent hosts priority, but at least give the stragglers and such a chance to get in early.
Maegereg
,,,,,,,,,,Crusader for Commas,,,,,,,,,,
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Free Kenan
Zombie Gaddafi
Eater of no hats
(id: NeverPlayedHalo3)
posted 05-05-09 06:13 PM CT (US)     30 / 3017  
It's a great idea, I also agree...

Kind of stupid that a 14-player will be a large, but oh well...

I will sign up for The Genghis Khan Mafia. (Full sized)
4:45 PM - Papaya: can I say that I want to put a ****ing knife in his throat and then take it back

If you don't like it here, we're not making you stay, so please, feel free to leave so Hook and I can make love to each other in peace.~ Shanks

[This message has been edited by James Hook (edited 05-05-2009 @ 06:16 PM).]

Catabre
BFME2H Replay Reviewer - Library Guildsman
posted 05-05-09 06:19 PM CT (US)     31 / 3017  
Finally! I'm so happy we they got this up.

TYhrow me on both queues, undecided.
"Apparently, arguing for the right to do something no-one wants to do is the lifeblood of HG." - TaylorFlame

"Whatever happened, BFME2H did it better. No Exceptions." - EnemyofJupitor
GoSailing
EEH Seraph
posted 05-05-09 06:23 PM CT (US)     32 / 3017  
Bah, thought we'd thought of everything before opening. I see all your points and they'll definitely be taken into consideration, but I'm first going to offer a counter proposal. This is just going off the top of my head so if it seems ridiculous feel free to say so. Saying what could be wrong with it, along with what may be right will also help:

The first problem I see with doing it exactly how you mentioned, ABU, is that with how that would be done the new players who may not host as fun games would get a lot of precedence over tried and true hosts. Now, I know full well that new hosts does not mean bad hosts and for new hosts to be good they do have to actually host and perhaps screw up. I think a balance between what you had wanted, where previous games hosted would be one of the only factors, and how it is on some of the other calenders might be more fair. Take, for example, Rotaretilbo. He was, while not the one to introduce mafia to HG, the one who helped it proliferate across all the heavens to the extent that we now have this forum. He was hosting when most people wouldn't or couldn't and to punish him now by making him wait till every host accumulates his amount of games would not seem to me to be fair.

I agree completely that the line of the signups upon opening this is also not completely fair. People at EEH and friends of people who post at EEH definitely got a much better chance at it than everybody else as it was the first place to recieve the news. For this reason I'm thinking (and don't actually do it now, I want feedback first) that people who want on the calender email me with the name of the game, full or mini, and how many players it would require. I would then try to fairly sort the first applicants by how much chance they've gotten to host. After this then the calender can be first come first serve and this should be pretty fair. If it is not, please tell me how it would not be so.

Also keep in mind that the queue here should go much faster as games will hopefully not fall into inactivity (As I've already said inactivity is not going to be allowed to continue for long) and there will be multiple full and mini's running at once.
"It seems to me the humour of Sails is so dry you could strike a match on it and it would be the humour that caught fire." - Friend of Old
Zombie Gaddafi
Eater of no hats
(id: NeverPlayedHalo3)
posted 05-05-09 06:28 PM CT (US)     33 / 3017  
Well, both are good ideas, we just need to finalize it.
The first problem I see with doing it exactly how you mentioned, ABU, is that with how that would be done the new players who may not host as fun games would get a lot of precedence over tried and true hosts.
No necessarily true, but most of the time, I guess it is.
For this reason I'm thinking (and don't actually do it now, I want feedback first) that people who want on the calender email me with the name of the game, full or mini, and how many players it would require. I would then try to fairly sort the first applicants by how much chance they've gotten to host. After this then the calender can be first come first serve and this should be pretty fair. If it is not, please tell me how it would not be so.
A+. I agree with that 100%. You might want to have more than just you though, maybe you, and another mod, or something...
4:45 PM - Papaya: can I say that I want to put a ****ing knife in his throat and then take it back

If you don't like it here, we're not making you stay, so please, feel free to leave so Hook and I can make love to each other in peace.~ Shanks
Rotaretilbo
Mere Mortal
(id: Brandon Rebuga)
posted 05-05-09 06:33 PM CT (US)     34 / 3017  
For those of you complaining about how the calendar started with "reserved" slots, you should probably this thread, it being the other stickied thread in the category.

But, since the general consensus is that we should wait before starting to add to the queue, I've removed all but the top two games from the queues. However, I'm not in favor of preferential treatment.
"Also, I'm no clearer on what WIFOM is really, although I gather it's something to do with Thymole being gay..." -Sassenach
"I don't lie in my claims and I don't intend to." -WeeMicky
"OH MY GOD A DINOSAUR" -Peter Fallon

[This message has been edited by Rotaretilbo (edited 05-05-2009 @ 06:36 PM).]

Blatant
DoFH Seraph & Director of Seraphs
(id: blatant7)
posted 05-05-09 06:36 PM CT (US)     35 / 3017  
Ok, I want to host a full-sized mafia. Theme is undecided so far.

Edit: Um, so how are we going to do this? GoSailing's idea seems fairly reasonable. If not that then I suggest we just start the queue over starting now. There's been ample time to visit this place.
Yes, I began my journey alone, and I ended it alone.
But that does not mean that I walked alone. ~ Brandon Sanderson

[This message has been edited by Blatant7 (edited 05-05-2009 @ 06:40 PM).]

Zombie Gaddafi
Eater of no hats
(id: NeverPlayedHalo3)
posted 05-05-09 06:39 PM CT (US)     36 / 3017  
For those of you complaining about how the calendar started with "reserved" slots, you should probably this thread, it being the other stickied thread in the category.
I kinda posted first there...

Quoted from James Hook:

Where do we sign up?
...
4:45 PM - Papaya: can I say that I want to put a ****ing knife in his throat and then take it back

If you don't like it here, we're not making you stay, so please, feel free to leave so Hook and I can make love to each other in peace.~ Shanks
Rotaretilbo
Mere Mortal
(id: Brandon Rebuga)
posted 05-05-09 06:47 PM CT (US)     37 / 3017  
Alright, BF2 Mafia signups are up (I'm posting the threads themselves because that way both Sails and I can edit the topic post). EoJ, whenever you're ready, put up your signups as well.
"Also, I'm no clearer on what WIFOM is really, although I gather it's something to do with Thymole being gay..." -Sassenach
"I don't lie in my claims and I don't intend to." -WeeMicky
"OH MY GOD A DINOSAUR" -Peter Fallon
Ashrzr
Battle of the Forums EEH winning team
(id: normandy887)
posted 05-05-09 06:49 PM CT (US)     38 / 3017  
Is my game still going up on the queue? I didn't reserve a game so it only makes sense that since I posted in this thread when the games go up I don't have to request a slot again.
EE forever
GoSailing
EEH Seraph
posted 05-05-09 06:49 PM CT (US)     39 / 3017  
You might want to have more than just you though, maybe you, and another mod, or something
Fair point, EoJ and I can do it together via email and present the first list after signups for Battlefield 2 and his mafia complete. Send in emails to sailingrules8888@gmail.com before then and really make sure you know the theme (or no theme, alternatively) and the game setup before you email me. I've seen on a lot of calenders people not know what they were going to host and all of a sudden its their turn and they come up with a theme that might not really work. Hell, I did that myself with California mafia. Sure the game worked, but the theme was just kinda pointless and it was more luck than anything else that let it work out.
"It seems to me the humour of Sails is so dry you could strike a match on it and it would be the humour that caught fire." - Friend of Old

[This message has been edited by GoSailing (edited 05-05-2009 @ 06:54 PM).]

Ashrzr
Battle of the Forums EEH winning team
(id: normandy887)
posted 05-05-09 06:51 PM CT (US)     40 / 3017  
As I with The Dark Knight Mafia, and that was quite a mess.
EE forever
AvidWriter
Mere Mortal
posted 05-05-09 07:28 PM CT (US)     41 / 3017  
So reading through that other thread, I see no reason why there is not going to be a queue in this calendar... can you elaborate, Rot?
Make us whole again.

~Winner of the Splatter Award at HWH '07~
Blatant
DoFH Seraph & Director of Seraphs
(id: blatant7)
posted 05-05-09 07:32 PM CT (US)     42 / 3017  
There will be, he just erased the existing calendar because some people complained that those who heard about this first had an unfair advantage. This is true, but there isn't really an easy way to avoid this.
Yes, I began my journey alone, and I ended it alone.
But that does not mean that I walked alone. ~ Brandon Sanderson
Jax
HG Monument
(id: Jax Omen)
posted 05-05-09 07:35 PM CT (US)     43 / 3017  
The easy way to avoid it would surely be to let everyone sign up and jumble the entries or something?
house won this
Ashrzr
Battle of the Forums EEH winning team
(id: normandy887)
posted 05-05-09 07:54 PM CT (US)     44 / 3017  
So what, are we not letting people sign up on the queue yet? I don't see a reason why.
EE forever
Blatant
DoFH Seraph & Director of Seraphs
(id: blatant7)
posted 05-05-09 07:57 PM CT (US)     45 / 3017  
I agree, mafia has always been "first come, first served." I see no reason to change that. And it's not like this place is lacking players.
Yes, I began my journey alone, and I ended it alone.
But that does not mean that I walked alone. ~ Brandon Sanderson
Rotaretilbo
Mere Mortal
(id: Brandon Rebuga)
posted 05-05-09 07:59 PM CT (US)     46 / 3017  
And a lot of people seem to assume that this place will take as long to go down the queue as others, even though we're letting twice as many games be hosted at once and taking steps to ensure that inactivity is dealt with.
"Also, I'm no clearer on what WIFOM is really, although I gather it's something to do with Thymole being gay..." -Sassenach
"I don't lie in my claims and I don't intend to." -WeeMicky
"OH MY GOD A DINOSAUR" -Peter Fallon
Ashrzr
Battle of the Forums EEH winning team
(id: normandy887)
posted 05-05-09 08:05 PM CT (US)     47 / 3017  
I just say put up the people who have signed up in this thread on the queue and let everyone else sign up who wants to. We can still do the more-less experienced deal I guess, unless we want to take a vote on that?
EE forever
GoSailing
EEH Seraph
posted 05-05-09 08:36 PM CT (US)     48 / 3017  
And a lot of people seem to assume that this place will take as long to go down the queue as others, even though we're letting twice as many games be hosted at once and taking steps to ensure that inactivity is dealt with.
This applies to any way we do it.
I just say put up the people who have signed up in this thread on the queue and let everyone else sign up who wants to. We can still do the more-less experienced deal I guess, unless we want to take a vote on that?
Your opinion is noted but I don't think a vote is necessary. Once a few more people post their opinions the general consensus should be fairly clear. If everybody is really divided on the issue then the decision can't really be all that bad either way as a decent amount of people will be happy no matter what the outcome is.
"It seems to me the humour of Sails is so dry you could strike a match on it and it would be the humour that caught fire." - Friend of Old
Jax
HG Monument
(id: Jax Omen)
posted 05-05-09 08:52 PM CT (US)     49 / 3017  
I agree, mafia has always been "first come, first served." I see no reason to change that. And it's not like this place is lacking players.
Julius summed up my thoughts to a tee:

"I don't have anything against any of those guys (although their styles are different to mine), but really! They have a virtual monopoly (not just them of course)."

The forum has been open a day. When I first got here earlier on the calender looked almost like a carbon copy of the EEH or BFMEH calendar. Personally I still think the best solution is to just pool every single one of these threads and have a "I veto that Heaven" system like I suggested at BFMEH. However, since that *is* impractical, a queue system is probably best, but that doesn't mean we should suddenly fill it up with all the old regulars.

Also I don't think that the old "Rot is being punished for being experienced" argument against a newbie/oldie preferential system really holds water - Rot (and others to be clear I aren't singling him out) has mafias everywhere. It's not like he needs to host one hear real bad.

Oh, and also also I think it'd be totally unfair if Hook can't host a mini with 14.
house won this
Zombie Gaddafi
Eater of no hats
(id: NeverPlayedHalo3)
posted 05-05-09 08:56 PM CT (US)     50 / 3017  
I love you too, Jaxiepoo...

I think the mailing in idea is great, but enormous work for the mods, if they're up to it. The speed may back up a bit, though.

Edit: If someone is up, post signups, so we don't get confused. I find it unfair for the first-come-first-serve thing...
4:45 PM - Papaya: can I say that I want to put a ****ing knife in his throat and then take it back

If you don't like it here, we're not making you stay, so please, feel free to leave so Hook and I can make love to each other in peace.~ Shanks

[This message has been edited by James Hook (edited 05-05-2009 @ 08:59 PM).]

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